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[–] admin@lemmy.my-box.dev 96 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Technically correct (tm)

Before you get your hopes up: Anyone can download it, but very few will be able to actually run it.

[–] chiisana@lemmy.chiisana.net 23 points 1 month ago (3 children)

What’s the resources requirements for the 405B model? I did some digging but couldn’t find any documentation during my cursory search.

[–] modeler@lemmy.world 40 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (8 children)

Typically you need about 1GB graphics RAM for each billion parameters (i.e. one byte per parameter). This is a 405B parameter model. Ouch.

Edit: you can try quantizing it. This reduces the amount of memory required per parameter to 4 bits, 2 bits or even 1 bit. As you reduce the size, the performance of the model can suffer. So in the extreme case you might be able to run this in under 64GB of graphics RAM.

[–] cheddar@programming.dev 20 points 1 month ago

Typically you need about 1GB graphics RAM for each billion parameters (i.e. one byte per parameter). This is a 405B parameter model.

[–] Deceptichum@quokk.au 13 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Or you could run it via cpu and ram at a much slower rate.

[–] errer@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Yeah uh let me just put in my 512GB ram stick…

[–] Deceptichum@quokk.au 7 points 1 month ago

Samsung do make them.

Goodluck finding 512gb of VRAM.

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[–] chiisana@lemmy.chiisana.net 2 points 1 month ago

Finally! My dumb dumb 1TB ram server (4x E5-4640 + 32x32GB DDR3 ECC) can shine.

[–] Siegfried@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

At work we habe a small cluster totalling around 4TB of RAM

It has 4 cooling units, a m3 of PSUs and it must take something like 30 m2 of space

[–] TipRing@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

When the 8 bit quants hit, you could probably lease a 128GB system on runpod.

[–] 1984 3 points 1 month ago

Can you run this in a distributed manner, like with kubernetes and lots of smaller machines?

[–] obbeel@lemmy.eco.br 2 points 1 month ago

According to huggingface, you can run a 34B model using 22.4GBs of RAM max. That's a RTX 3090 Ti.

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[–] sunzu@kbin.run 12 points 1 month ago (2 children)

405b ain't running local unless you got a proepr set up is enterpise grade lol

I think 70b is possible but I haven't find anyone confirming it yet

Also would like to know specs on whoever did it

[–] Voyajer@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

I've run quantized 70B models on CPU with 32 gigs but it is very slow

[–] bizarroland@fedia.io 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I have a home server with 140 gigs of RAM, it was surprisingly cheap. It's an HP z6 with the 6146 gold xeon processor.

I found a seller who was selling it with a low spec silver and 16 gigs of RAM for like 250 bucks.

Found the processor upgrade for about $120 and spend another $150 on 128gb of second-hand ECC ddr4.

I think the total cost was something like $700 after throwing a couple of 8 TB hard drives in.

I've also placed a Nvidia 4070 in it, which I got doing some horse trading.

How close am I on the specs to being able to run the 70b version?

[–] BaroqueInMind@lemmy.one 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

What's the bus speed of the RAM? You might run it just fine but still bottlenecked there.

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[–] sunzu@kbin.run 3 points 1 month ago

I gonna add some RAM with hope I can split original 70b between GPU and RAM. 8b is great what it is as is

Looks like it should be possible, not sure how much performance hit offloading to RAM will do. Fafo

[–] raldone01@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (7 children)

I regularly run llama3 70b unqantized on two P40s and CPU at like 7tokens/s. It's usable but not very fast.

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[–] Blaster_M@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

As a general rule of thumb, you need about 1 GB per 1B parameters, so you're looking at about 405 GB for the full size of the model.

Quantization can compress it down to 1/2 or 1/4 that, but "makes it stupider" as a result.

[–] coffee_with_cream@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

This would probably run on a a6000 right?

Edit: nope I think I'm off by an order of magnitude

[–] 5redie8@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 month ago

"an order of magnitude" still feels like an understatement LOL

My 35b models come out at like Morse code speed on my 7800XT, but at least it does work?

[–] LavenderDay3544@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

When the RTX 9090 Ti comes, anyone who can afford it will be able to run it.

[–] Contravariant@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

That doesn't sound like much of a change from the situation right now.

[–] bitfucker@programming.dev 4 points 1 month ago

So does OSM data. Everyone can download the whole earth but to serve it and provide routing/path planning at scale takes a whole other skill and resources. It's a good thing that they are willing to open source their model in the first place.

[–] abcdqfr@lemmy.world 19 points 1 month ago (5 children)

Wake me up when it works offline "The Llama 3.1 models are available for download through Meta's own website and on Hugging Face. They both require providing contact information and agreeing to a license and an acceptable use policy, which means that Meta can technically legally pull the rug out from under your use of Llama 3.1 or its outputs at any time."

[–] admin@lemmy.my-box.dev 33 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

WAKE UP!

It works offline. When you use with ollama, you don't have to register or agree to anything.

Once you have downloaded it, it will keep on working, meta can't shut it down.

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[–] RandomLegend@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

It's available through ollama already. i am running the 8b model on my little server with it's 3070 as of right now.

It's really impressive for a 8b model

[–] abcdqfr@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Intriguing. Is that an 8gb card? Might have to try this after all

[–] RandomLegend@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Yup, 8GB card

Its my old one from the gaming PC after switching to AMD.

It now serves as my little AI hub and whisper server for home assistant

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[–] Kuvwert@lemm.ee 12 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I'm running 3.1 8b as we speak via ollama totally offline and gave info to nobody.

https://ollama.com/library/llama3.1

[–] sunzu@kbin.run 4 points 1 month ago

I was able to set up small one via open webui.

It did ask to make an account but I didn't see any pinging home when I did it.

What am I missing here?

[–] Fiivemacs@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 month ago

Through meta...

That's where I stop caring

[–] hperrin@lemmy.world 16 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Yo this is big. In both that it is momentous, and holy shit that’s a lot of parameters. How many GB is this model?? I’d be able to run it if I had an few extra $10k bills lying around to buy the required hardware.

[–] Ripper@lemmy.world 22 points 1 month ago (2 children)
[–] hperrin@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] bruhduh@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

That's some thick model

[–] 2001zhaozhao@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 month ago

Time to buy a thread ripper and 800gb of ram so that I can run this model at 1 token per hour.

[–] i_am_a_cardboard_box@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago

Kind of petty from Zuck not to roll it out in Europe due to the digital services act.. But also kind of weird since it's open source? What's stopping anyone from downloading the model and creating a web ui for Europe users?

[–] sunzu@kbin.run 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Did anyone get 70b to run locally?

If so what, what hardware specs?

[–] DarkThoughts@fedia.io 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Afaik you need about 40GB of vram for a 70b model.

[–] sunzu@kbin.run 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Can't you offload some of it to RAM?

[–] DarkThoughts@fedia.io 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Same requirements, but much slower.

[–] sunzu@kbin.run 2 points 1 month ago

I guess time to buy some ram after spending decade at 16gb

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