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[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 88 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (30 children)

Genuinely, though. You describe democratic worker councils, large public programs, criticize Capitalism, even point out Imperialism, and everyone agrees with you and what you want, as long as you don't call yourself a Marxist.

I see this a ton on Lemmy, if I describe what I want and how I want to get there, very few people openly disagree unless I add that this is Marxism. So, I've stopped trying to hide that these ideas are Marxist and instead focus on correcting misconceptions about Marxism, like thinking Communism would have no government because Marx used the word "stateless" when describing it, not realizing he meant things like Private Property Rights and other statist means of upholding Capitalism. Marx wasn't an Anarchist nor did he want Anarchism.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 44 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Indeed, as soon as you mention Marxism then the whole conversation becomes about that. Simply discussing the concepts with people without using trigger words tends to be a lot more productive. Ultimately, it doesn't matter what people want to call it, as long as they can understand what course of action is desirable.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 23 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I do think it's useful to dispel the veil, though. People simply agreeing with concepts doesn't mean they will pursue action, it's important that people actually understand Marxism, at least in my opinion. Agitprop is good.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 16 points 1 year ago

For sure, I agree that chipping away at the propaganda has its own value, hence the meme. :)

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[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 38 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Lots of people promote eugenics until you point out that they're promoting eugenics.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 24 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Thanks for providing an example of an opposite.

[–] polonius-rex@kbin.run 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

how is that an opposite?

an opposite would be something everybody thinks is a bad idea until you name it

unless you're saying people disagree with the concepts and goals of eugenics until you say "but that's just eugenics" at which point they're fully on board?

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Most people think that Eugenics are a bad idea even if you don't name it, which is the opposite of people actually agreeing with the ideas behind Marxism without knowing its Marxism.

[–] polonius-rex@kbin.run 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

but that's not what the comment said?

Lots of people promote eugenics

people sometimes end up accidentally talking themselves into eugenics and promoting eugenics before somebody points out that they're talking about eugenics

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 year ago (55 children)

But it is what the comment said. It's saying that people promote eugenics without realizing it. They do so by talking about the mechanics of eugenics without naming them.

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[–] curiousaur@reddthat.com 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Socialism and communism would also have been accepted.

I usually hate your biased posts, but this is fire.

[–] AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Complaining about 'bias' in every day situations like a totally normal well adjusted person

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