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[–] frankgrimeszz@lemmy.world 212 points 4 months ago (23 children)

Anti-semitism used to mean “hatred of Jews”. Now it means “daring to question Israel’s murderous leaders”.

[–] atro_city@fedia.io 54 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Also being anti-Zionist or anti-Israel doesn't mean being anti-Jews. Those are two distinct things. One, being Jew doesn't being being Zionish, second, being Israeli doesn't mean being Jewish.

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 35 points 4 months ago (1 children)

But the leaders of Israel would love us all to conflate the two, and always encourage it.

[–] MataVatnik@lemmy.world 18 points 4 months ago

And a good portion of the community is enforcing that definition. I'm not sure they realize the extent to which that will open up a can of worms. For more than a decade Zionism was distinctly considered an extremist ideology that should not in Amy way be confused with Juedaism. It's like saying Opus Dei represents the catholic people. It's just a terrible propaganda move on so many levels.

[–] njm1314@lemmy.world 15 points 4 months ago

It's amazing that people question being an anti-zionist. It's a straight-up fascist ideal. That should be the default setting of human beings.

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[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 132 points 4 months ago (8 children)

They're violating the Olympic truce.

They banned Russia for it. Why not Israel?

[–] TallonMetroid@lemmy.world 42 points 4 months ago (7 children)

Obviously, because being the target of a genocide 80 years ago gives you a free pass to do whatever you want forever. Russia's problem is that they've never been hit with a genocide themselves, so they don't get a free pass. /S

[–] Aqarius@lemmy.world 27 points 4 months ago

You know, all things aside, it's kinda sad people don't even remember anymore that the Nazis weren't just after Jews.

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[–] MataVatnik@lemmy.world 8 points 4 months ago

Because there are still a lot of genocidal apologists that influence political opinion. Especially in the US.

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[–] AFC1886VCC@reddthat.com 99 points 4 months ago (8 children)

If it's okay to exclude Russians from sport then it's okay to exclude Israelis.

If it's wrong to exclude Israelis then it's wrong to exclude Russians.

[–] Nuke_the_whales@lemmy.world 15 points 4 months ago (7 children)

Exclude American then. What you guys did to my country was criminal

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[–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 12 points 4 months ago (20 children)

Yup, unfortunately global politics are such bullshit that Zelensky has to support Israel

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[–] atro_city@fedia.io 62 points 4 months ago (4 children)

There are quite large protests going on in Israel at the moment because a bunch of Israelis don't want Netanyahu and his cronies. What percentage of the population that is, I dunno, but IMO it's not negligible. Banning Israel from the games would be quite symbolic though, so I'm not sure where exactly I stand on the issue.

[–] obre@lemmy.world 36 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Israeli athletes could be made to compete under a neutral designation similar to Russian athletes.

[–] atro_city@fedia.io 13 points 4 months ago

Yeah, I guess that's a good solution. Then they aren't barred from participation after all their training and Israel doesn't get recognition. It gets my vote, even if it's useless.

[–] MataVatnik@lemmy.world 25 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Think about it this way, would you be cool with apartheid South Africa? Or Nazi Germany? I don't know if they played in the games. But with hindsight I'm pretty sure, or at least hope, that most of us would answer with an emphatic NO. History will not look kindly on Israel. People say this issue is 'complicated'. The only reason it's complicated is because there are people trying to find common middle ground with genocide advocates, and of course it's going to be complicated, because finding common ground with a genocidal ideology when you are a moral person is fucking impossible.

[–] Dearth@lemmy.world 33 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Nazi Germany hosted the games. But apartheid south Africa was not invited

[–] MataVatnik@lemmy.world 11 points 4 months ago (1 children)

This made me laugh. Reality satirises itself

[–] wurzelgummidge@lemmy.world 16 points 4 months ago

Nazi Germany hosted the Olympics in 1936. They were still a vile regime but the war and the slaughter of jews hadn't started yet.

[–] roboto@feddit.org 13 points 4 months ago

The protests are not against the war though. They are against the government not bringing back the hostages and against the inconveniences of not being able to return to home. If the government can manage to commit genocide on Palestinians without any inconveniences to the Jewish Israeli citizens then most of them would be fine with that.

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[–] kitnaht@lemmy.world 20 points 4 months ago (16 children)

That's because France and Germany have the largest Muslim populations in Europe. Turns out, they don't like their fellow man being murdered indiscriminately.

[–] Ismay@programming.dev 57 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Or simply because genocide bad ? I'm not Muslim but would clearly welcome some sanctions

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[–] curiousaur@reddthat.com 14 points 4 months ago (7 children)

Fuck Israelis, why are they welcome anywhere? Every Israeli, every Russian, should be sent the fuck home.

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[–] vga@sopuli.xyz 13 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Can we as a species fucking please stop being outraged when somebody says something that's absolutely crystal clear obvious from their point of view and not a surprise in the least?

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