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submitted 11 months ago by m0darn@lemmy.ca to c/asklemmy@lemmy.ml

Wikipedia says

A superhero or superheroine is a stock character that typically possesses superpowers, abilities beyond those of ordinary people, and fits the role of the hero, typically using their powers to help the world become a better place, or dedicating themselves to protecting the public and fighting crime.

So yes, he is definitely dedicated to protecting the public, but it feels wrong to call him a super hero. What do you think?

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[-] itsJoelle@lemmy.world 63 points 11 months ago

He's a radicalized terrorist, technically.

[-] pickelsurprise@lemmy.loungerat.io 41 points 11 months ago

Radicalized terrorist superhero.

[-] itsJoelle@lemmy.world 22 points 11 months ago

From my point of view the Jedi are evil.

[-] pickelsurprise@lemmy.loungerat.io 16 points 11 months ago

The Jedi in the time of the prequels were evil because they decided to become cops who were more interested in upholding order than justice. Luke ate fascists for breakfast.

[-] astrobound@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago

curious.. explain your pov

[-] itsJoelle@lemmy.world 11 points 11 months ago

WELL THEN YOU ARE LOST

[-] TheHighRoad@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago

Homelander, "super terrorist" is the company's preferred nomenclature.

[-] atlasraven31@lemm.ee 4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

He even abandoned his military duties to train at his sleeper cell.

[-] joelfromaus@aussie.zone 2 points 11 months ago

Is there a /c/theempiredidnothingwrong?

[-] snowe@programming.dev 2 points 11 months ago

I don’t really get that point of view. The empire literally committed genocide. How is that not wrong?

[-] joelfromaus@aussie.zone 7 points 11 months ago

Without having had much to do with that original community I’m fairly sure it’s satirical take where defendants are defending the indefensible.

[-] snowe@programming.dev 3 points 11 months ago
[-] CloverSi@lemmy.comfysnug.space 49 points 11 months ago

Yes, in the same way a tomato is a fruit.

[-] freamon@endlesstalk.org 38 points 11 months ago

Star Wars is a mash-up of Sci-Fi and Fantasy - Luke isn't a superhero, he's a wizard (in the same you wouldn't call Gandalf a superhero).

[-] LazerDickMcCheese@lemmy.world 23 points 11 months ago

Sorcerer, technically

[-] dreadgoat@kbin.social 12 points 11 months ago

Gandalf isn't a superhero because he's more like an angel. He played a part in the creation of the world, and is entirely inhuman. He's a primordial spirit masquerading in a corporeal form.

Luke Skywalker is much closer to a superhero because he's a mortal man who was inadvertently blessed with incredibly rare powers and chooses to use them for good.

[-] Shdwdrgn@mander.xyz 3 points 11 months ago

Batman is a mortal man whose only super power is an obscene amount of money, and yet he's still categorized as a superhero.

[-] AngrilyEatingMuffins@kbin.social 8 points 11 months ago

Eh. People say that but he’s canonically in the same level of smarts as Luthor, Supes and Brainiac. He also has reaction times capable of hanging with supes and some sort of precognition (prep time)

Also if Luthor is a supervillain (never heard otherwise), then bats is definitely a superhero.

[-] FourPacketsOfPeanuts@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

I'd say Darth Vader was a supervillain but it still doesn't feel right calling Luke a superhero...

[-] Cruxifux@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

I always referred to them as space wizards.

[-] sixtyshilling@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago

Uncle Owen literally calls Obi-Wan a wizard — “That wizard’s a crazy old man” — so canonically that is how Jedi are seen by (at least some of) the population.

[-] Hypx@kbin.social 8 points 11 months ago

It's literally this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hero_with_a_Thousand_Faces

The vast majority of stories with a heroic protagonist will be a variation of this idea.

[-] Xariphon@kbin.social 2 points 11 months ago

Seriously, Star Wars is about the best Joseph Campbell textbook you could ask for.

[-] Candelestine@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago

It's just a step removed. He's from an order of space wizards basically, similarly to how Harry Potter hails from an order for regular wizards. Both groups tend to qualify as superheroes for the most part, but are usually referred to by the subgroup, as opposed to the more general categorization.

Another more traditional, yet similar example, would be the Green Lanterns or Marvel's wizards. Space wizards and regular wizards respectively, but clearly superheroes due to hailing from well-known purveyors of superhero media. Structurally and mechanically similar, though.

Green Lanterns are space paladins. They aren't magical themselves but are selected by, dedicated to, and empowered by godlike being that predate the current multiverse.

[-] morgan_423@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago

Superhero? To us, sure. No doubt at all, no one in our reality has those powers and they're quite novel to us.

To the people from his own fictional universe? Not really a superhero at all... part of the superhero mythos is defined by a use of ultra-rare, exceptional powers.

But at points in the SW timeline before the time in which the movies were set, there were tens of thousands of Jedi running around and doing similar things. They were not exactly "unicorn rare."

[-] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 11 months ago

No, he's more like a wizard. Other force-users exist in his universe, he just happens to be an especially good one.

[-] Thavron@lemmy.ca 2 points 11 months ago

The Marvel and DC universes have loads of people with abilities, yet we call them superheroes.

[-] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Yes, but they all have different abilities. or at the very least don't have the same ones often. Captain America can't turn into a giant green monster, and so on.

I'm not so sure the definition provided is sufficiently narrow, but Luke Skywalker specifically doesn't fit into it as given.

[-] Xariphon@kbin.social 3 points 11 months ago

I would say no, only because he does it all in his own name. One of the key features of a superhero is the idea of separation of identity, which Grandmaster Skywalker* does not do. Not all superheroes wear masks, but even the ones that don't usually have some form of alternate identity. (Reed Richards, for example; everybody knows who he is, but it would be weird to call him by his real name while he's in costume.) I would say that Luke Skywalker is a hero, but not a _super_hero, specifically because he does not present himself as such.

*Grandmaster Skywalker, founder of the Yavin IV Praxeum, etc. etc. Fuck MouseWars.

[-] InvaderSkooge@sh.itjust.works 3 points 11 months ago

Sure he is. The Jedi posses powers normal people don't.

[-] ttk@feddit.de 3 points 11 months ago

He does not have a fancy logo nor a secret identity. Well. By this definition you cannot call Tony Stark a Superhero, neither Thor.

I would say, Jedi are wizards, in a way where Star Wars is more fantasy than SciFi.

[-] Norgur@kbin.social 3 points 11 months ago

The question is if Jesus is a superhero, since Luke is basically Space Jesus

[-] dandroid@dandroid.app 1 points 11 months ago

I think Anakin was space Jesus. There was an ancient prophecy that foretold his immaculate conception and the things he would do to save everyone.

[-] Perfide@reddthat.com 2 points 11 months ago

Virgin birth =! immaculate conception

[-] fubo@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago
[-] m0darn@lemmy.ca 1 points 11 months ago

I read the article but is not clear to me what exactly a lensman is. Some sort of super soldier? Thanks for bringing it up though maybe I'll listen to the audiobook(s).

[-] Phrax@reddthat.com 2 points 11 months ago

I feel like superheroes have a plot constancy that forces them to stay superheroes. Their superpowers may lapse, but they generally get them back and feel justified in using them. Their main villains may fall or seemingly reform in one episode or series, but usually return as bad as ever. In Legends, Luke's fight with the Empire is almost over before it has begun. Cleaning up the Remnant and warlords falls to regular X-wing pilots and commandos in the New Republic era. Luke is more of a mediator than a fighter and mostly withdraws from heavy use of the Force by the New Jedi Order era. Even the new enemies of that era don't stay enemies forever. Instead of forcing constancy, Legends allows conflicts in these eras to be "solved" and to permanently change characters.

[-] Poob@lemmy.ca 2 points 11 months ago

I mean, he doesn't follow the trappings of a comic book super hero (don't @ me about Star Wars comics). He has all the powers and motivations of a super hero though. At the end of the day, Iron Man is just a rich guy, what makes him a super hero is the framing of his media.

[-] ctobrien84@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

Why wouldn't he be?

[-] legion02@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

Green Lantern isn't a superhero then?

[-] legion02@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

Green Lantern isn't a superhero then?

[-] angstylittlecatboy@reddthat.com 1 points 11 months ago

I do think there's a good amount of characters who you don't think of as "superheroes" but really are...but I don't think Skywalker is one of them. His skills aren't rare, he's just one of the best, and his motivations are more that of a freedom fighter/terrorist (the difference is perspective) than a peacekeeper (I actually would argue that a superhero could be a freedom fighter, but most are peacekeepers.)

[-] masquenox@lemmy.ml 1 points 11 months ago

Nope.

Super-creeps exist in a specific universe where super-creeps make sense... ie, a world in which a billionaire can dress up in over-priced BDSM gear, beat marginalized people to death and be considered a "hero" for doing so. It's a very Randian universe... and it stinks.

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