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[–] soeren@iusearchlinux.fyi 11 points 1 year ago

I am a bit of security expert myself!

pulls out screwdriver

[–] JohannesOliver@beehaw.org 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

In the past they had jumpers for the same purpose.

[–] unix_joe@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

IBM ThinkPads could be reset if you beamed a certain radio frequency directly at the BIOS chip. It was documented in the user guide as a feature if you were ever locked out, or the system was no longer booting. It's been 20 years but I doubt that feature ever went away.

[–] JohannesOliver@beehaw.org 1 points 1 year ago

For a while vendors tried to lock down the BIOS pretty hard. Dell might still, I remember having to call and get assistance when a password was forgotten and they had to generate a backdoor key of some sort. Maybe that is less of a thing now that Bitlocker is widely used on corporate laptops and it is sensitive to tampering.

[–] bouncing@partizle.com 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

BIOS passwords have only ever been to deter unsophisticated attacks. Though this is more unsophisticated than the rest.

[–] Moonrise2473@feddit.it 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

like just removing the battery to reset the CMOS

[–] bouncing@partizle.com 1 points 1 year ago (3 children)

That hasn’t worked in a while, has it?

[–] Moonrise2473@feddit.it 2 points 1 year ago

on DIY motherboards it still works like this

[–] meat_popsicle@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

It’s a little difficult to reset the password if it’s lost otherwise.

[–] cmnybo@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 year ago

Most motherboards store the password in SRAM along with all of the other BIOS settings. Removing or shorting the backup battery will clear everything.

Some motherboards store the password in non volatile memory. That's usually done in computers intended for business use. If you forget the password, you have to get a reset code from the manufacturer after proving that you are the owner of it.

[–] Zaytalion@partizle.com 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's even more trivial to remove the hard drive and read/write it directly, possibly even booting it on a separate system directly or in a virtual machine. BIOS passwords (on all x86 systems, not just Lenovo) provide very limited security benefits, but they can be sufficient for some basic security requirements.

[–] Moonrise2473@feddit.it 1 points 1 year ago

Well right now it's more secure than a decade ago

Today a locked BIOS + strong windows password could render a stolen computer almost useless if:

  1. Storage is encrypted with keys stored in the CPU tpm (default)

  2. Nand is soldered

  3. Secureboot is enforced strictly so only windows could boot (default)

  4. Before locking the bios with a password, all booting options are disabled except internal storage