Someone should submit a resolution to the UN security council ordering both Russia and Ukraine to go back to the 2013 borders. And then Russia can do what it wants with their vote and veto.
this post was submitted on 16 Aug 2024
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I'm not exactly sure what happened between 1991 and 2013 around there, but I'd argue that they should have the original indepencence borders and that's it. But it's not my call by any stretch, Ukraine and their people are the ones who should settle where the border is.
And the global west should support their cause. Sure, it's not particulary easy for anyone right now, but for the majority of the people in EU supporting Ukraine is financially mostly a inconvenience. You might pay a slightly bit more on your bread and butter, but currently no one is coming for you with guns, which is very much a reality in Ukraine right now.
Exactly, the EU especially is rich enough to pour ten times more into Ukraine without we even noticing it.
isn’t ukraine asking for the 2013 borders? i believe “the west” is literally saying it’s up to ukraine to decide and we will support them
I don't know how willing they are to give up Crimea and I suppose one of the reasons the war is happening now is that the west closed their eyes when Russia annexed areas from Ukraine. At least on the news Crimea is often described as 'temporarily occupied', so I think at least offically they're targeting 1991 borders.
But yeah, it's solely up to Ukraine, and I believe they'll have very similar support regardless of the border, at least as long as they're not claiming anything beyond 1991 borders from Russia.
yes but crimea was occupied by russia in 2014, and they shouldn’t have to give it up - and i don’t think anyone’s asking them to - except obviously russia
Sounds fair. Everyone back to the pre-2014 borders. Even Stevens.
i mean that’s still not even… ukraine has a country to rebuild and even stevens would include reparations for both loss of life and rebuilding
a compromise is russia gets the fuck out of ukraine and ukraine begrudgingly accepts that this is better than more war and then starts dealing with the consequences of russias aggression
Don't forget repatriation of all the children they kidnapped in their ongoing genocide
Y'know Dmitry, if you had kept your army inside your own borders we wouldn't be having this conversation right now.
Russia has total control over the situation and could end the Kursk assault overnight if they really wanted to. This is entirely their problem that they've created.
"I would be grateful for the explanation how intentionally targeting civilians serves the goal of disrupting attacks on Ukrainian territory, given the fact that there were no military objects or infrastructure in the area," he said.
So the T-80s and T-90 that Ukraine has captured so far are use for delivering pizza? Also, if you give Ukraine a bit more time to get deeper into Russia they'll get to the part of Russia where much more of the military objects and infrastructure are.
Turns out that basically every military objective on earth is, at some point, surrounded by lots and lots of civilian area.
There is no hope communicating with these insane barbarians. Empathy, truth. shame and hypocrisy don't even exist. The entire society is based on brutality and brazen lies, you cannot trust anything they say. The only choice for a lasting peace for Ukraine is to keep fighting until the entire vile project of political russia collapses into something less malignant.
Oh the irony....
"I would be grateful for the explanation how intentionally targeting civilians serves the goal of disrupting attacks on Ukrainian territory, given the fact that there were no military objects or infrastructure in the area," he [Dmitry Polyanskiy, Russia's Deputy U.N. Ambassador] said.
Holy crap! Tell me that you've been sleeping under a rock for the last 3 years without saying that you've been sleeping under a rock for the last 3 years...
What, does he want us to cheer Ukraine on louder?
I thought it was a special military operation to de-nazify part of East Ukraine?
Most have not been silent. They mostly said that Ukraine is allowed to use Western made weapons in Russia including Kursk. Idk what the Russians are talking about.
Why would the “glorious empire” need help from those lowly western countries.
Boneheads. They initiated an entirely unnecessary conflict. They didn't see this as a possibility?
And did a genocide with it
Remember your "to Berlin" car stickers, Russia?
Gee, I wonder fucking why they're silent? What dumb fucks.
Whaaaaaaaaa!
I'm sorry, Pooty, i can't make out what you're saying. Try to stop blubbering. Take a deep breath. Wipe your nose off. Here, take a sip from your SpongeBob sippy cup.
Ok, feel better? Now, without whining this time. What do you want?