jesus fucking christ man, why won't these judges simply follow the law
this post was submitted on 06 Sep 2024
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According to an NBC report I saw on this, Trumps legal team requested a delay and the DA didn't reply to the request. That kind of tied the judges hands and this (non)action is the norm for this situation. A break from the norm would help trump on appeal.
I mean, most of them probably became judges specifically to gain the power to choose who needs to follow what laws - as well as the profitable position that puts them in for rich criminals who don't want to go to jail.
If this pisses you off, good. Because this is the legal system we have, and it's always been this corrupt. It's always been this unjust, this skewed, and it will continue to be until we demand a change.
I just don't understand why the rules and laws never, ever seem to apply to him!
Because he is, or at least was, part of the insider clique.
Even as late as 2014 he was still allegedly close enough to the Clintons that he and Bill could have a personal phone call hours long.
Seriously though, it is self preservation for the judge. If Trump loses, no harm in sentencing him punitively. If he wins, might as well sweep it under the rug to try and save a few lives of you and your staff.
Watch we'll see a headline in some future morning "Donald J Trump Dead at --" and that afternoon we'll see "supreme court drops all extant charges on former president saying ""its time to focus on grieving""
Fucking pitiful
That’s actually a really interesting question. I think putting dead people on trial (for new crimes, not postmortem exonerations) is fucked up, because they can’t testify in their own favor, but it’s also such an important case for the country to learn about, to assess the breadth of collusion and depth of corruption involved in trying to overthrow the government.
Justice delayed is justice denied.
Infuriating bullshit, nonstop
This reasoning doesn't make sense unless Trump loses. How can sentencing the POTUS be any less fraught than sentencing a candidate? The judge is a coward with at least two rulings in his back pocket depending on the outcome of the election.
"The public’s confidence in the integrity of our judicial system demands a sentencing hearing that is entirely focused on the verdict of the jury and the weighing of aggravating and mitigating factors free from distraction and distortion"
The public's confidence in the integrity of our judicial system demands to see justice served you kowtowing stooge! Grow a pair and do your fucking job!
The members of this jury served diligently on this case, and their verdict must be respected and addressed in a manner that is not diluted by the enormity of the upcoming presidential election. Likewise, if one is necessary, the Defendant has the right to a sentencing hearing that respects and protects his constitutional rights.
Haven't we known the date of the election for roughly 225 years?
There's an ELECTION?? Election of what?
After he loses the election and gets sentenced, I hope to never again hear from this scourge.
Okay. So. He lost in 2020, and hopefully he'll lose again in 2024. After that, can he FINALLY HAVE SOME FUCKING CONSEQUENCES FOR ALL THE CRIMING HE DOES GODDAMN IT AAARGGGH@$#&#@!!!
Nope! Gotta keep our eye on 2028!!!!
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NY Times analysis actually making a good point: "Trump’s criminal sentencing being delayed until after Election Day might be good news for him legally, but it’s bad news for him when it comes to fund-raising. His team is being badly out-raised right now by the Harris campaign. Some Republicans were hoping that his sentencing in the hush-money case could lead to another fund-raising bonanza similar to those that he got after his criminal indictments and conviction. Now, that’s off the table."
I suspect between Russian influence operations and the billionaire sociopaths, Trump's funding isn't a factor at this point.
But I'm doomscrolling these comments trying to find any practical silver-lining, so I genuinely appreciate this attempt.
This is both cowardly and very clever. It’s very strategic.
If trump wins, the sentencing hasn’t hurt his campaign and the case goes away. The Judge’s house doesn’t get doxxed to unstable people.
If Trump loses, his supporters cannot claim interference. But Trump can be sentenced and imprisoned before the next change of power.
Ugh. Fucking gross.
They'll still claim interference because he has ongoing court cases, maga cult followers may not be good or smart people, but they are skilled at mental gymnastics around why them losing was unfair or justifying Trump's actions
I mean. Yeah. There’s only so much planning you can do to contain stupid.
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He won't be inprisoned before January. The sentence will be stayed immediately while Trump appeals for the next two years, minimum.
I hope that’s not the case, but he’s rapidly declining, anyway.
I don’t really care if he’s ever imprisoned, so long as he loses and the cult that follow him and the sociopaths that fund/back him are left without their messiah/useful idiot in a position of power.
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Cowardly judges say what?
Stocks in "Trump will get away with everything forever" continues to soar! What's next, winning the presidency after calling Kamala the n-word with hard R in the debate? Stay tuned!
The President is ~~not~~ above the law.
A major part of why Trump never seems to face consequences is because of judges (really the entire justice system) playing it safe. They tip the scales in Trump's favor so that their decisions can't be easily portrayed as being biased against Trump.
In this instance, the judge could do the legally expected thing and just follow a normal timetable without worrying about the election. But sentencing Trump in the lead up to the election is very likely to be portrayed as an attempt to influence the election, and that would maximize the amount of scrutiny the decision gets both in and out of court. Trump will appeal as he always does, and there will be angry nutjobs sending in death threats at the very least, with a very real possibility of actual violence of some kind.
On the other hand, delaying until after the election means that the decision can't be seen as influencing the election. Instead, the outcome will either be known by everyone involved, or it will be in an extended dispute that will likely drown out any attention the sentence would receive. If Trump wins there's probably no point in worrying about the sentence anyway since he will be above the law. And if he loses, there will probably be a lot fewer people looking to pressure the court, and the judge might even be able to give a real sentence without retaliation
I'm not saying this was the right decision, but I think it's easy to see why the decision was made.
Don't want a trial to interfere with your political career then don't break the fucking law.