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Have police finally overstepped enough that reform could happen? (sh.itjust.works)
submitted 2 months ago by ryathal@sh.itjust.works to c/nostupidquestions@lemmy.world
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With Tyrek Hill being detained less than 4 months after the arrest of Scottie Scheffler, have the police actually angered enough people with money and power that there could be actual consequences?

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[–] AbouBenAdhem@lemmy.world 36 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

They’ve been overstepping enough on a regular basis for the last fifty years—the real problem is that they’ve subverted the “reform” process so that reforms that seem adequate to the general public get neutralized or twisted to work in their favor.

That’s why you have more-experienced reform advocates eventually pushing things like “defund the police”—they may be shooting themselves in the foot in terms of popular perception, but it comes from a long history of frustration with lesser reform efforts.

[–] Notyou@sopuli.xyz 17 points 2 months ago (2 children)

No.

If you want police reform, look to California and gun reform. We would have to convince people of color and poor people to join the police in RECORD numbers at the same time organize and protest against using tax dollars to pay for shitty cop cases. The bad cops will be replaced but it would take a long time for the systemic leadership to be replaced. Honestly though, if you replace the patrols then a lot of change would happen. The racist old leadership might just shut up till they retire.

Shit, pass a law stating all police court cases with the police found at fault, must be paid by the police union. Eventually the bad cops will get fired and replaced with younger cops. Then when the police are looking more like the people they are policing, then laws will be passed to hold cops accountable.

[–] LordGimp@lemm.ee 17 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

As a Californian, do not look to our state for police reform. IMO the best example is Colorado removing qualified immunity. Discipline doesn't work and the system refuses to jail their own, so you gotta hit them financially. Bankrupting shitty little town police forces either forces reform or kicks authority up to the state, which is more regimented in its regulation. Either way it's putting bad cops out of a job.

Honestly legal immunity needs to go as a concept. It might be annoying for judges to fight off lawsuits, but fuckem. They're paid damn well and they have the time. Judges are public servants, not public sovereigns. Some of them need to be reminded of this fact, and lawsuits are a good way of opening crusty conservative eyes. And the entire civil suit system needs to be simplified into plain English so that the average citizen can use it. This legalese fuckery was designed from the start to disadvantage uneducated people. That's downright un-American. The ruling class has forgotten that this is the land of the free, not the land of the fee.

[–] Notyou@sopuli.xyz 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

I agree with you. I just think in order to get those laws repealed like qualified immunity then the police force needs to be filled with more people that have the outlook of ACAB. The skinheads were getting on message boards in the 90s and trying to convince the young ones without tatts to join the police in order to terrorize black neighborhoods. There should be some form of that from the people that want police reform.

[–] LordGimp@lemm.ee 2 points 2 months ago

Abolish police entirely and mobilize the NG into law enforcement. The rules of engagement alone is miles better than the policy shit police forces have now, and cops are all already carrying or being supplied with military gear anyways. If we already have a militarized police force, why not cut out the middle man and turn our actual military into the police force?

[–] ryathal@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Race doesn't really factor into a cop being shitty.

[–] Notyou@sopuli.xyz 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

No, not necessarily, but I was mainly thinking about when white supremacist coordinated online to join the police while hiding their ideology. Cops can be shitty regardless of race, but there was/is a coordinated effort to make race a factor.

[–] beliquititious@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 2 months ago (1 children)

News headlines won't change national culture or policy. The pro-policing subset of America is large and has a lot of dark money supporting. Private prisons and the handful of companies that support them, weapons companies who have seen record profits because we militarized our police after 9/11, and fascist sympathizers and supports all want things like that to happen.

Unless you, me, and everyone else who cares about the issue called our representatives daily to demand action, nothing will change. Even if every single person who wanted police reform in the US called their federal and local representatives demanding change, there is still a good chance the pro-police-brutality club would still have more influence.

[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 2 months ago

Repubs will continue to sew fear of places like NY and California. People who have never been there will believe them. Cycle continues.

[–] Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago

You got it backwards. All these oversteps will be used as proof that cops need LESS restrictions.

Fuck the police.

[–] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 months ago

Probably not but gosh I hope so.

[–] qevlarr@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago

No. Many people want cops to go Dirty Harry on all black people

[–] stinerman@midwest.social 2 points 2 months ago

No. Cops have convinced a majority of people that they need to be able to break the law in order to protect them.

[–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

People will have forgotten about this in a week.