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A Michigan vigilante who amassed thousands of social media followers with his unauthorized hunts for pedophiles was shot and killed in a confrontation with two teenagers, police said.

Robert Wayne Lee, 40, of Pontiac, was better known as Boopac Shakur online, where he would often pose as a 15-year-old girl to expose alleged predators.

Authorities say that Lee accused one of the teens at a local restaurant of being a pedophile and punched him—leading one of the boys to pull out a knife and the other to fire a gun. The suspects fled but were later arrested.

The Oakland County Sheriff’s Office noted Lee’s unsanctioned activities—and their uneven results—in a news release about his slaying.

“His one-man crusade has led to the arrest and criminal charges being filed against several men,” it said. “He has also mistakenly identified someone as a sexual predator who was not.”

Videos that Lee posted to Facebook showed him confronting the men he corresponded with while posing as a minor in the style of the show To Catch a Predator.

A GoFundMe to benefit his daughter said Lee “dedicated his life to protecting the innocence of our children from those with malicious intentions. Through his courageous efforts, he successfully exposed 132 predators who sought to harm our community's youth.”

However, in January, police confirmed just four arrests based on Lee’s videos, according to the Oakland Press. Police had asked Lee to stop his sting operations, but he persisted and even announced classes for others who wanted to follow suit.

Lee denied he was a vigilante. “I’m a concerned citizen,” he told the Press. “A vigilante is doing police work without a badge.”

“I’m just putting the fishing pole in the water and seeing who’s biting,” he added.

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[-] kandoh@reddthat.com 162 points 9 months ago

There is something so weird about this. I don't think these guys are trying to protect children, I think they are getting off on the roleplaying and using the 'hunting predators' thing as an excuse to justify it.

[-] Astroturfed@lemmy.world 41 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

And teens he confronted killed him? He typically posed as a 15 year old girl to catch people it says. I guess these teens are in the wrong if they're 18-19? Story just seems a little strange.

Confronting people by yourself is not something a level headed individual does. This guy was clearly getting off on some type of vigilante hero complex.

[-] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 36 points 9 months ago

Low hanging fruit. There's not that many actual pedophiles out there, and the ones that exist are usually pretty cautious (otherwise they'd have been caught already).

But technically an 18 year old wanting to have sex with a 16 year old...

I don't know anything about this guy, but the fact that he was accusing teenagers of being pedophiles suggests he was just trying to get fame and attention by capitalizing on the current "pedophiles everywhere" moral panic.

[-] Nollij@sopuli.xyz 11 points 9 months ago

But technically an 18 year old wanting to have sex with a 16 year old...

Is highly dependent on local laws. Some outlaw it, some are perfectly fine with it, and some fall into a gray area between. For instance, it may be a minor offense (no pun intended, I swear) instead of a major offense if there were a greater age gap. These are sometimes known as "Romeo and Juliet" laws

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[-] Grimy@lemmy.world 15 points 9 months ago

It's literally for money. He makes a living from the amount of views it gets.

[-] StorminNorman@lemmy.world 14 points 9 months ago
[-] instamat@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago

*because he ain’t living

[-] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 10 points 9 months ago

See also the ammosexuals who fantasize on the daily about the day they get to "defend themselves" against a "home intruder"

The hero complex is IMO just the masking of sociopathic violent fantasies in self righteousness. "No no no, I'm not obsessed with being able to kill justifiably, I just REALLY hate pedos!"

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[-] solivine@sopuli.xyz 119 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

While they managed to catch 4 people, out of a total of 132 people that doesn't sound very good, and might have even made it harder for the police to catch these people. One of them was found to be innocent, what if more of them were?

[-] hh93@lemm.ee 101 points 9 months ago

I really don't understand the boner so many Americans seem to have for vigilantism

Just fix your goddamn police system - there's a reason why vigilantism is outlawed since it's too easy to misjudge or misidentify stuff and the consequences are horrible - let professionals do their job properly

[-] moody@lemmings.world 38 points 9 months ago

Oh sure, lemme just fix the police system real quick. Give me a minute. I don't know why nobody thought of that!

[-] miversen33@lemmy.world 10 points 9 months ago

Well shit if only we'd known all we had to do was fix it quick!

Silly us!

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[-] Steeve@lemmy.ca 7 points 9 months ago

Why don't I just strap on my fix the police system helmet and hop in the fix the police system cannon and fire myself into fix the police system town where police reform grows on trees?

[-] subignition@kbin.social 29 points 9 months ago

Just fix your goddamn police system - there’s a reason why vigilantism is outlawed since it’s too easy to misjudge or misidentify stuff and the consequences are horrible - let professionals do their job properly

We've tried that, but the problem is they can't seem to do it without executing people, and/or the neighbor's dog, for fun.

[-] Potatos_are_not_friends@lemmy.world 20 points 9 months ago

Listen, in order to reduce crime in America, sometimes a bunch of innocent dogs, people in wheelchairs, children playing with toys, and people getting health checks have to die.

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[-] Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 9 months ago

I think that's just it right there. Our police system is completely broken and for-profit. People want justice. So out of desperation they're seeking it themselves.

[-] athos77@kbin.social 13 points 9 months ago

While we do have a problem with vigilantes deciding that their contribution is vitally necessary to keep things running (see: Kyle Rittenhouse), I'm not really sure this qualifies as vigilantism in support of the law or even to protect kids from predators. Honestly, this just strikes me as yet another wannabe influencer/YT 'star', only instead of 'restoring' old items, cleaning cars/yards/houses, edging over weird 'recipes', or popping pimples, this guy's schtick was 'going after pedophiles'.

[-] agent_flounder@lemmy.one 9 points 9 months ago

Fixing the police is great but I don't think that's enough to reduce child rape.

Find the causes—childhood abuse / neglect, most likely—and aggressively address these social ills. Find more reliable ways to rehabilitate and use it for those convicted. Among other things.

[-] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 6 points 9 months ago

Just fix your goddamn police system

Policing doesn't prevent crimes.

And it was never really intended to.

[-] hh93@lemm.ee 12 points 9 months ago

Vigilantism also doesn't - what's your point?

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[-] itsnicodegallo@lemm.ee 11 points 9 months ago

I went through a period where I binge watched a bunch of episodes of that show, but I read that it was difficult to convict some of the people they caught because adults posing as children to lure people into getting arrested is considered entrapment or something. Therefore, their method of catching them could be considered unlawful, leading to the case being thrown out.

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[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 98 points 9 months ago

Maybe punching a suspected pedophile is not the best way to bring them to justice?

[-] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 35 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Maybe punching a suspected pedophile is not the best way to bring them to justice?

Especially when he has accused innocent people in the past.

[-] Salamendacious@lemmy.world 12 points 9 months ago

That was my first thought. I can only imagine he wasn't able to control his anger in the moment. I'm sure he saw himself as doing important work. It's sad that a child is going to grow up without a father now.

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[-] HelixDab2@lemm.ee 63 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

he would often pose as a 15-year-old girl

Authorities say that Lee accused one of the teens at a local restaurant of being a pedophile

Let that sink in.

He accused a teen interested in an age-appropriate partner of being a pedophile. The age difference between the people that killed Lee, and the 'victim' Lee was pretending to be online is, at most, 4 years.

Fuck that dude. That kind of accusation wrecks lives.

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[-] ShittyRedditWasBetter@lemmy.world 29 points 9 months ago
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[-] Droptherock@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 points 9 months ago

Don't most states have Romeo and Juliet laws that specifically say a 19 year old wanting to date a 15 year old is acceptable? Maybe it's only a 3 year gap or something. IANAL.

[-] AdolfSchmitler@lemmy.world 9 points 9 months ago

AFAIK if the relationship started BEFORE one of them turned 17? or 18? then they are protected. So a 16 y/o dating a 14 y/o would be protected if they are still together when they are 18 and 16. Something like that.

Before anyone asks there was a scene in the Mark Wahlberg transformer movie where a kid had the law lamentated in a card in his wallet so he could pull it out and explain to Mark that he is legally allowed to fuck his underage daughter.... so I had to look up wtf that was about.

[-] TheBlue22@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Dude accuded aTEEN for being a pedo.

What?????

[-] Supermariofan67@programming.dev 8 points 9 months ago

Why were they charged? Sounds like a pretty obvious case of self defense.

[-] seathru@lemm.ee 8 points 9 months ago

If you have to use any kind of deadly force in self defense, it is always in your best interest to be the first one on the phone with 911. Police aren't known for their critical thinking, so the first story they get is most often they one they are going with until proven otherwise.

If one of the teens had called 911 and said some creepy guy catfished and physically assaulted them first, this story would probably read a lot differently.

Disclaimer: Not victim blaming. More of a PSA. And really one of the very very few times I would recommend calling the police.

[-] MJKee9@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago

Probably a magnitude of force issue. If they didn't legitimately fear for their life, then deadly force in response would be a crime.

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