And the immediate concern is about what it can cost the economy. Not the social impacts regarding family, friends, and society as a whole but the economy.
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We will sacrifice our entire society to protect our beloved economy!
You hit the nail on the head.
The entire point of an economy is to be a mere tool to better distribute goods and services within a society for the explicit benefit of said society. If an economy is working against a society, it is literally doing the opposite of what its role is.
Whenever theres a crisis under our modern global rigged capitalism, the first thing that happens is the well bribed, middle manager politicians come out to assure the citizenry that any and all cruel measures will be taken against society in order to protect our beloved economy. it's a perversion of priorities. The tail wagging the dog.
Our modern global economy has turned humanity against humanity for the sake of stoking sociopathic greed, both in the few that have dangerous, society warping levels of wealth, and the billions of wannabe temporarily embarrassed millionaires fucking other peasants over for scraps.
The global economy needs to be smashed to bits and rebuilt with entirely different goals and values, or it will make our species destroy ourselves in the name of profit for a few thousand narcissistic asshole families.
We won't though, we'll keep following the owner's orders to our doom, even after they're barking them remotely from their luxury climate change bunker compounds protecting them from the climate apocalypse they caused, until the last peasants struggling to survive stop bothering to answer on the other end.
People are always like "Why is there no revolution!?"
Because most aren't willing to risk their lives and their comfort to make the world better for everyone. "What do I get out of it?" they will ask.
Part of the issue is past revolutions didn't have a ruling class that literally employed the best psychologists that money can buy to spew propaganda that has been scientifically proven to confuse citizens and change minds.
The idea that it will get easier to fight back against your oppressors as they grow their pile of tools and weapons with which to control society is a joke.
The longer is waited, the harder ripping off the fucking band-aid will be.
Wait too long and there won't be a band-aid to rip off as mass extinction comes for us all.
They control us through propaganda to make us as self-interested and sociopathic as them, as you said, using the major media they own and the policy making politicians they also own to make ~~greed~~ "rational self-interest" mandatory from Kindergarten through colleges of economics and beyond. Then they point to the society they've made cruel and selfish, and declare capitalism to be human nature, partly as a normalizing tactic, and partly to feel more peace about their cruel, withered hearts.
Their other major tool is what I like to call "subsistence opiates." Pathetic niceties people cling to that often do more harm than good: social media, fast food, literal opiates, etc. Things that don't make most people's lives better, but allow them to endure the pain capitalism induces, and that they're terrified that revolution would inturrupt the slow dopamine drip of. This is the main reason there will sadly be no revolution.
The good news is that will make collapse an eventual certainty. A house dependant on the impossibility of infinite growth will collapse, even if it takes the form of humanity destroying the habitability of its only world, as we are racing to do.
One can only hope we leave a lesson to be learned to some other future civilization, although that's highly doubtful.
Because most aren't willing to risk their lives and their comfort to make the world better for everyone. "What do I get out of it?" they will ask.
I don't think this is it. I think it doesn't happen because people don't know who will be with them. If I knew there was going to be a general strike were 20 to 30% of the population stopped working, I'd be in. However, I don't want to torpedo my entire life for a movement with no followers.
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If people stopped working for employers and started working to improve the lives of family, friends, and society, the economy would crumble.
Oh no. Would someone please think of the economy..
Imaginary numbers go up boss get rich
Imaginary numbers go down I lose job boss get rich
Slowly but surelly over the last couple of decades the political discourse moved from "best for people" to "best for money".
By now politics isn't about doing what's best for people anymore (it's what's best for "The Economy" or for "Businesses") though we get thrown a few never really fullfilled promises (almost exactly like modern marketing, even using Focus Groups to find out what are the things to say which will have the most positive reaction from the public).
And just like when companies successfully shift to a Marketing-heavy strategy, for Political Parties too the quality of their product - policies - went down as they shifted to marketing as a way to keep their "consumers" - i.e. voters - "buying" their product, and the price - in terms of how much wealth they're extracting from the broader society for their leaders and their paymasters and how little they leave for everybody else - has gone up.
Unsurprisingly, by now more and more of people are getting dissatisfied even if most don't quite get it how they got there.
It kind of makes sense to put it that way. Presumably, workers being unhappy might make some sense if it was a tradeoff between productivity and work-life balance.
But no, it's bad for both social effects and economic effects
- careers don't mean a thing despite us being told growing up it'll matter and be fulfilling
- companies clawing back WFH because they're gambling on office buildings is beyond disgusting
Maybe if they're so important to the economy, they should be paid more.
Well when you put it that way, guillotine'ing a few billionaires once a year would probably save everyone a ton of money and significantly improve workforce moral.
There are about 3,000 billionaires on Earth. More people died on 9/11 than there are "winners" who manipulate our species, world governments, and our entire civilization to their detriment for short term private profit.
Our common enemy oppressing humanity doesn't have enough numbers to fill a tenth of a football stadium. Just saying...
Jokes aside, they aren't the biggest hurdle, their army of deluded true believer, self-hating, "love me senpai" peasants are.
Billionaires are only as powerful as the minions he controls. If all the minions decided "eh fuck it" and walked away theyd be fucking lost.
That’s what made the “lie flat” (or “lie down?”) movement in china a few years ago so compelling. To disarm the global elites is the simplest thing in the world: ignore them. Do nothing.
But it takes all of us doing nothing.
Real shit.
I work with Elon Musk simps and it's painful when they talk about him.
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Middle managers: So, Hawaiian shirt day or pizza party? (Not both)
Mental health webinar it is!
Attendance is mandatory, and it's a lunch meeting.
Profits are at an all time high, the company was more productive than ever before. In order to improve financial metrics, you're all fired.
Wait, workers are unhappy? How shocking.
Maybe if we had a UBI, people would be okay with jobs that weren't that great so they could have a better life than a UBI provided. I know I'd be a lot happier if I knew I had a financial safety net.
Or you know just the understanding that the effort put into my job would have benefits rather than just barely have enough to survive and keep myself mildly entertained
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"We need to increase employee surveillance to identify workplace unhappiness and take appropriate administrative action against employees costing revenue by being unhappy at work, against corporate directives to all non-executive staff requiring they be very happy during work hours as a condition of their employment."
-The owners, almost certainly
You can always count on the capitalists to prescribe increased beatings as the cure for declining morale. Meanwhile you never see them sharing that expensive bar in their office filled with top shelf liquor with their unhappy employees...
I'm able to make this comment right now because I called out of work because I fucking hate my job and they treat us like shit. So yeah I'd have to agree.
Wages should be higher.
Inequality should be lower, too.
Prices should be lower.
What's the point in increasing wages if prices go up faster?
Remember: products are priced according to what people are willing to pay, not what they cost to produce.
The answer isn't to make more, it's to spend less. The only people who should be taking a hit are those profiting. They'll still make more money than any of you can ever hope to dream of.
“Employees aren’t experiencing highs or lows — instead, they are expressing a sense of resignation or even apathy,”
Have these people never seen Office Space? All of this is completely normal. Workers don't like working. That's why it's called "work." FFS Futurama made a poster about it.
“I don’t hear as many people saying ‘I want to make more money’ or ‘I want to climb the corporate ladder.’ Now, it’s ‘I want to feel more connected to my work,’ and ‘I want to be excited about what I’m doing.’”
That's funny because all I hear "I want to make more money."
These people are living in an alternate reality. That's the only explanation. Nobody could be this aloof.
I'm on my third edit now, JFC these people are dumb:
New Gallup research shows that remote employees, in particular, feel increasingly disconnected from their workplaces’ mission and purpose.
That's the point! I love being disconnected from work! I don't care about the mission, just the money! I used to care about the mission, but that didn't pay the damn bills. You think I'm here because I want to be?
“It’s all about creating an environment of belonging, hearing and being understood,” she says. “You don’t need to fix everyone’s problems in a day — even aiming to have one meaningful conversation or check-in with the people you manage, once a week, can make a huge difference.”
That's it managers, just do one nice thing a week. That's all you need to do.
I enjoy what I do.
What I don't enjoy is being forced to drive 40 minutes to the office to do work I could do from home just to drive 40 minutes back to the house.
And all to not get paid for that commute as well.
Yeah that’s the crux of it. Return to office is an added 80 minutes of unpaid unnecessary labor
And more pollution
I've told 3 previous managers that "I like the work I do, bit the job part gets pretty frustrating"
When the asteroid comes to wipe out the entire earth's species again, I'm sure we'll be worrying about the economy then too.
We're making our own asteroid, have you been paying attention to anything climate related?
And since the pandemic with people working from home more the whole work/life balance is gone.
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