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[–] Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 63 points 2 months ago (2 children)

This is barely hyperbole lmao I love it

[–] BruceTwarzen@lemm.ee 64 points 2 months ago (7 children)

I have a friend who is super car focused. Where she lives, there is a bridge where people often cross the road, and they painted the road with some blue waves, to showcase that. I often drive whe. She's with me, because she drives like a maniac. Anyway, people were crossing the road and i waited. She told me that cars have the right of way here and i could just go. I just gave her a look and then drove off when people were done, like 5 seconds later. The next time a few weeks later, she said the same thing and i told her: I don't care how often you tell me that, i'm not gonna run over people to save 5 seconds. She told me that she would usually just honk or rev up her engine, or "pretend to run people over" it's so weird to me what they get out of that behaviour

[–] FireRetardant@lemmy.world 41 points 2 months ago

That kind of behavior should be considered attempted assault with a deadly weapon.

[–] Sauerkraut@discuss.tchncs.de 21 points 2 months ago

But she only threatens to murder pedestrians so that makes it okay. She wouldn't actually murder them (as long they scurry out of her way

[–] Ibaudia@lemmy.world 20 points 2 months ago (3 children)

"Pretending to run people over" is a crime lol. At least in the States. That's textbook assault (making someone fear bodily harm), and arguably reckless driving or endangerment.

What is it about cars that make people into psychopaths? Or does it just bring out these things in already bad people?

[–] FireRetardant@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

In my experiences and from the stories I've heard and read, cops and courts are a lot more lenient when it comes to cars, probably partially because they all rely on them too. Some people even say things like "its better to kill the pedestrian instead of just injuring them because dead people can't sue" and "if you want to murder someone in north america, do it with a car, you will probably walk away with relatively little consequences."

[–] Takios@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 2 months ago

We have the latter saying here in Germany too. It's insane how lenient the legal system is for car drivers here.

[–] RogueBanana@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 months ago

People have a sense of security inside their murder machines that pushes them to do whatever they want.

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[–] BirdyBoogleBop@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 2 months ago (1 children)

What do the blue waves signify?

Your friend is crazy and probably going to lose a mirror at some point.

[–] ZJBlank@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago (2 children)

A mirror? How about a licence

[–] moonbunny@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

In North America, the best that can be done is a license suspension, between a few months or maybe a year or two in extreme cases. Even that doesn’t stop people from driving though.

[–] 9point6@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Lol wtf

How is there not the concept of someone being too dangerous to ever drive again

Hell, that frankly applies to a good chunk of everyone over the age of about 80

[–] frezik@midwest.social 6 points 2 months ago

It's because our whole society is built around having a car. There is no real alternative. Taking away a license inflicts a major burden on them. The idea that "driving is a privilege, not a right" is a cruel joke.

I had a friend who's mom had a seizure while driving. Her foot jammed the accelerator to the floor while going downhill. She didn't hit anyone, and survived the inevitable crash, but there wasn't much left of the car. It was likely going to happen again, and yet the state did not take away her license. Now, the family was responsible and made sure she didn't have to drive anymore, but not everyone has a responsible and proactive family like that. There are almost certainly people with similar medical issues driving around right now, and it keeps me awake at night. Not even an uncontrollable medical issue that makes you a rolling time bomb is enough.

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[–] 9point6@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago

If a street is to be shared with pedestrians, they should get the ultimate right of way, followed by push bikes then motor vehicles.

[–] Soup@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

Your friend is a fucking psychopath and I can’t imagine how you’re still friends with them. I know it’s only one thing we’re seeing from your comment but I don’t think there’s much one can do to redeem “doesn’t have the barest consideration for strangers or their lives”.

Yikes.

[–] desertdruid@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

it's the IMPLICATION

[–] Olgratin_Magmatoe@lemmy.world 19 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Go to any Instagram comment section about something to do with bikes, and every other comment is some blood thirsty version of "I get hard when I run over bikers".

It's revolting.

[–] Rooskie91@discuss.online 14 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

That's why it is important to never cross the road without your safety brick.

[–] Olgratin_Magmatoe@lemmy.world 11 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Gonna start cycling with two propane tanks on the sides of my bike.

[–] frezik@midwest.social 3 points 2 months ago

You MAD lad.

[–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 39 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

My favorite is when someone has some minor road dispute that cost them maybe a couple of seconds in drive time, and they follow you to catch up with you and scream at you about it....almost as if they weren't actually on their way to go fucking do anything.

[–] atocci@lemmy.world 14 points 2 months ago (3 children)

They were already late to whatever they're supposed to be doing, and you've just become the excuse they needed.

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[–] chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world 32 points 2 months ago (4 children)

In all seriousness, what the hell is up with the psychology of drivers? So much road rage, nastiness, and utter contempt for everything around their metal box of death on wheels.

[–] WoahWoah@lemmy.world 12 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

In the US at least, Trump has validated half the country to express naked contempt for anyone they deem "other." This includes: any person of color, any woman, anyone younger than them, anyone that "looks" educated, anyone walking, anyone on a bicycle, and anyone in an electric car, among others.

[–] chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world 10 points 2 months ago (8 children)

I love that you worked a Trump reference into this but I’ve seen this sort of terrible behaviour from drivers since I was a kid (I’m 40). It’s also not unique to North America, nor even the West (seen the same thing in China).

No, it’s something about cars that creates a disconnect between us and other people. It’s like people outside the car’s windows are TV characters, not real people.

[–] lone_faerie@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 2 months ago

It's been an issue for a long time, but Trump, as well as COVID, severely exacerbated the issue

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[–] Eczpurt@lemmy.world 10 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Not excusing the behaviour but I'd bet it's the amount of traffic people often sit through everyday along with the overall pace of life feeling faster.

I'm lucky to work weird hours where traffic is almost zero, but personally, sitting in hours of traffic everyday to and from work would make me want to pull my hair out.

[–] Traister101 6 points 2 months ago

Just one more lane bro it'll fix traffic

[–] 9488fcea02a9@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Not excusing the behaviour but I'd bet it's the amount of traffic people ~~often sit through~~ directly contribute to

You're not stuck in traffic... You are the traffic

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[–] thedarkfly@feddit.nl 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Either they're forced or they believe they're forced to drive cars. I'd become insane too.

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[–] Tehdastehdas@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

What's wrong with drivers? Frustrated mammal instincts while physical venting is impossible.

  • The feeling of wearing big heavy armour (the car) and being separated from others not perceived quite as human in their armour intuitively calls for extreme force in all interactions, but the instinct is frustrated by knowing any collision is expensive and must be avoided, the opposite of folkrace. (Imagine the stress and frustration if rugby armour was expensive and easily dinged and scratched, so the players would have to avoid getting rough, and if someone hit your expensive armour, it would suddenly become your job to extract insurance info or money from them while the game went on.)

  • Being agitated by imperfect humans in traffic while not being able to vent the anger out through muscle action is frustrating - you have to sit stiff in place and keep the controls steady. On a bike you can direct the anger to your muscles and get rid of it. A stimulant crash (often anger) while driving in heavy traffic is extra bad and common after a day of stimulants at work. (When the power steering belt broke on a Volvo V70 I was driving as a taxi, it was nice, healthier and more fun to use force to make the car turn. Why don't car makers allow me to adjust the powering ratio when it's all programmable now? Why are cars and computers designed to deprive the driver and user of all exercise?)

I worked in a university traffic research unit (psychology and cognitive science angle) after being a taxi driver.

(This text editor is shitty and frustrating, and my Lemmy feed is poison, but luckily I can fidget and pace a bit here by the computer.)

[–] FilthyShrooms@lemmy.world 23 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I hate driving, it feels like it got way worse after covid, like people forgot how to drive properly

[–] Krauerking@lemy.lol 18 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I think people all just hate each other more now. Generally stress makes little aggressions feel more extreme and the world is in fact falling apart at the seams.

Plus scientific studies have shown people with more bumper stickers were more violent and more likely to commit road rage seeing the car as an extension of themselves and interactions with the car as attacks on personal self and people are much more aware of "personal space" than before covid probably upping the sense of the car being an extension for more people.

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[–] ameancow@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago

It's the same phenomenon of de-socialization that was radically accelerated during peak Covid that has led to everything from a 1000% increase in unruly passengers on airlines, to a drastic decrease in relationships and dating, to a whole host of people just checking out from the social contract and embracing ludicrous conspiracy theories and retreating to online safe-spaces where any crazy thought will be validated and praised.

As a species we were not meant to have constant exposure to millions of people's innermost thoughts and feelings and unrestrained impulsive ideas. It fucks with your head. Combine that with the economic incentive of keeping people in one spot, scrolling their attention-span to sawdust, and you are training an entire generation of people to turn off their inner monologues and to stop thinking entirely, just seeking validation and things to click on.

I feel strongly that AI ruining the internet will be a net-positive, as it's going to drive more people to human spaces to connect with each other. Sure there will be a whole segment of people raised in the AI slop of the next decade, but there will also be a subset of people who want more and create their own spaces with other real humans.

[–] CodexArcanum@lemmy.world 20 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Ok but it does seem like people drive way worse now than just a few years ago. I have theories though.

Theory 1: Existential dread. People are so beat down by climate, endless war, failing economy, and more that they’ve gone completely insane.

Theory 2: Long covid brain.

[–] WoahWoah@lemmy.world 10 points 2 months ago

Theory 3: Trump and other authoritarian world leaders/parties/orgs has validated unmitigated rage and contempt towards almost anyone for almost any reason.

[–] psud@aussie.zone 5 points 2 months ago

I think the number of people with little care for those outside their vehicle has increased. At least a chunk of it is due to the vehicle design - it's hard to be aggressive in a 1970s car, it's easy in how separate you are, how isolated from people outside, in an SUV

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 15 points 2 months ago (1 children)

"unholy merging of flesh and metal" got me. Oh that's good.

I guess the holy merging would be human and bicycle.

[–] _stranger_@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

You've never had a cyclist on the sidewalk yell that you're walking on the wrong side of the sidewalk as they blast past you at road speeds?

Assholes are assholes, regardless of what flavor unholy chimera they've merged into. They're just less deadly when they're non-charmeras.

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

That's true, I have had cyclists yell at me as a pedestrian and driver (no I didn't do anything wrong as the driver).

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Put this in the sidebar (it can hold images just like comments and posts)

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