If we weren’t a bunch dickheads who love fiddling with things, and instead just wanted a sensible OS that worked, we’d all be using Debian on everything.
this post was submitted on 27 Sep 2024
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Debian. Vista. And somewhere around Snow Leopard, though I stopped getting upgrades around that time so fuck you apple.
These are the selections of the peak power user, and they shall not be questioned, as the punishment is using Windows 8 for a month, followed by death, which will be merciful after that month.
I always think that Vista was alright, it just took a bullet for every version of Windows that followed. It introduced overdue changes to many long-standing Windows conventions, changes that still stand now. If Windows 7 had been the next one after XP then everyone would have hated that instead.
What?
Vista was ass until the very end.
Windows 8.1 is the last best windows OS
You're gonna get downvoted because of 8.1.
But yes, I do agree, 8.1 was great, a lot better than 10. The problem with it was the start menu (easily fixable) and the fact that MS didn't invest money or time in it after 10 came out, so a lot of bugs went unfixed.
I never minded the metro menu tbh.
It’s funny that windows tried to do what is done on Linux (gnome) and Mac and got blasted for it.
I use a full screen style start menu everywhere else.
It was way too early. If that happened after 11, very few would mind. But it happened way too early. 7 had the classic 6.x kernel start menu, and 8 suddenly had... no start menu button at all 😬. That was their mistake, way too much change way too early.
i never liked the inconsistent window management though.
On 8, (i dont remember for 8.1) there were some apps and menus that forced "tablet mode" and could only be interacted with in fullscreen. Other applications would open in what looked like tablet mode by default but you could break them out into desktop mode, after which they behaved normally.
8.1 fixed 99.9% of all of this, it was actually quite good but suffered by being called 8.1 instead of 9
Exactly like XP, Vista was horrible until a couple of service packs. Then it was better than XP SP2 and release Windows 7.
Idk I liked 7 over vista from the very beginning personally.
The one asks how to do something. The other gives 13 steps of instructions. The 14th step is "???? I don't know. This is where I got stuck too in the same way as OP."
The two started updating before you could read the end of the comic strip
One can like multiple distros. e.g. i run Debian on my media center because i have no need for bleeding edge software and want just a stable system that changes as rarely as possible and only receives security patches. Its a perfect OS for shit that just needs to be setup once and then runs in that configuration forever.
If you try that with e.g. Arch, it is very possible that after a week you have suddenly a different theme installed for your frontend and your plugins stopped working.
For my webservers i tend more to ubuntu because of newer packages as Debian but being still relative stable in terms of versions. (but looking into others. i'm just an lazy fuck right now)
And on my desktop system i run EndeavourOS (Arch) because i like to have the newest shit for gaming and i like some of the design decisions the dev made like the early merge of /bin.
And on some of my ancient android phones i got Alpine to run very nicely in a chroot. Primarily because it is very very lightweight / compact and uses OpenRC as init system because Systemd gets very pissy when its not running as PID 1 / detecting it is in a chroot and then refuses to start services (there are hackarounds, but why bother?)
And then there is of course things like Raspian, etc.
Use the right tool for the job.
I use EndeavourOS, and I love the way the system runs, I enjoy pacman and AUR, but I also get annoyed having to do the sudo pacman -Syu dance every couple of days. I want an Arch-like distro that is stable. Does such a thing exist?
It really does feel like a lot sometimes with the updates. I'm also thinking about looking for something that is also quite close to the edge / rolling but maybe a bit slower.
I was on Manjaro before for a couple of years. They clone the arch repos but then hold back the updates usually a week or so for testing. And it feels in general a bit more "stable" in that concern. But unfortunately over the years i noticed some problems with it like holding back important security updates for way too long for my taste or rewrites of some arch-tools which then not worked in a expected way.
And Endeavour felt right from the first second on noticeable more mature and professional with settings and tools that made sense.
The one big distro family i never looked into is Fedora. As far i see they have some kind of semi-rolling release which could fit the bill quite nicely. Major releases which then kept fairly up-to-date but not so fast and overwhelming as with Arch.
Maybe i will check it out. But yeah, i would probably miss the AUR. It is just so damn convenient.
There are more rolling release distributions like tumbleweed.
I use endeavour because I like Arch but don't need to be bothered installing it the arch way more than once.
i use debian btw
I hate myself too.
I use Debian for any of my servers. Its stability is unparalleled.
My personal computers are a playground though.
I feel like most everyone* who cares about distros likes Debian. It may not be the right distro for your use case, but you're glad it's around.
* I'm sure even Debian has it's haters. But I think it's a minority.
Debian is independent, OG, a base of so many distros, it is objectively the most stable Linux in existence, it has its own libre kernel...what's not to love?
Ah, right.
systemd.
Exactly, same as Arch... which is why I used Arch for like 2 weeks and then hopped to Void. Sorry, but it was the same bullshit all over again, services not running properly, slow boot time, services stalling at shutdown... I'm sorry but, with the words of Garry Oldman, I haven't got time for this Mickey Mouse bullshit!
Runit on the other hand... it just works. Set it and forget it!
I personally have little issues with systemd (okay, services can stall sometimes, true), but I appreciate brave minds who use other init systems and keep the variety for us to enjoy should we want to.
Just mentioned it as one of the few controversies surrounding Debian :D But then, on the other hand, there's Devuan for those folks as well...
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