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I'm talking here about their hardware (MacBook, iPhone, iPad, iWatch) and software (iCloud, Apple One, mail, passwords, wallet, other apps), in terms of owning all of that.

What's your opinion on using everything that comes from Apple? Is there anything that you would throw away from the "basket" full of apples? If yes, then what would be that and why?

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[–] lorax@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago

I used to have the “Apple for hardware , google for software” mentality. I’d use google mail, calendar, maps, drive, chrome…on my apple products.

But recently I’ve noticed myself slowly migrate to Apple. I have Apple One family (not premier ) which is worth it IMO.

Apple Maps feels less invasive than Google maps and they’ve upped their game recently.

Safari has become my default browser with Ecosia as the default search engine. Love that Safari shares tabs across devices.

I still have Google mail and calendar installed though. I prefer the UI.

The copy paste ability across devices is something I use daily too.

[–] ParadoxSeahorse@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Mostly cross-platform suggestions:

Apples to chuck:

  • Apple Music ymmv, I have lots of mp3 with iTunes match that’s why I use it, but if you don’t, Spotify is clearly the better algorithmic music suggestion service
  • Podcasts are probably better in Overcast etc.
  • FaceTime / Messages is fine for apples to apples, but you’ll need other messaging apps obvs
  • Carrot Weather is better than Apple Weather, shame about Dark Sky
  • Calculator is bested by PCalc
  • Arguments can definitely be made against Logic and Final Cut
  • Apple News is pain
  • On that note, even with the highest tier of iCloud, it’s probably not worth it to do Apple One until your are actually spending over that much on things you actually want. Apple TV for example is easy to binge through every few months.
  • Kindle is cheaper than iBooks
  • Fantastical is a great calendar replacement
  • Obsidian is great if you’re a Notes power-user

Apples to keep:

  • iCloud and keychain are probably the best if you’re all-Apple, but back up elsewhere or consider other cloud storage solutions and 1Password. Definitely sign up for lowest tier iCloud as it unlocks a lot of functionality.
  • I prefer iWork (Pages, Numbers, Keynote) to ms office
  • See Apple Music above if you have your own mp3s or old iTunes purchases
  • iCloud Photo Library is getting better and is very convenient
  • Find My is great if you have AirTags, use it all the time on my keys

That’s all I can think of rn! Personally I go for rational functionality over philosophy as I think that’s a trap! They’re just computers, don’t not use stuff based on principle if it works the best, but also don’t get sucked in by the hype, they make it as easy as possible to eat all your money! 

[–] rusticus1773@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

iCloud private relay is highly underrated for privacy imo. You won’t hear a lot of agreement with me here, but it’s the best form of a privacy vpn. When you use a third party vpn you still have to trust the vpn company to respect your privacy whereas private relay, by definition, does not allow Apple or anyone else to scrape your data.

[–] Terevos@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

100% agree here.

The design of this is much better than VPN. Apple doesn't know what you're asking for or the data, but does know your ip. The CDN doesn't know your ip but does know what you're asking for.

And neither Apple nor the CDN have any way of matching the ip to the data at all since it's abstracted several times and encrypted.

Note: I'm not an iOS user but this feature does tempt me to switch.

[–] Plantee@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

I was all in on the ecosystem when I was a few years younger, than I started to care about privacy, and although Apple might be good compared to it’s direct competitors, I don’t trust mega corps with all my data, nor do I support that tendency.

Also, I think it is good to not be too deep in their applications as a lot is proprietary and when you’d decide to move, they can’t be exported and used between services.

I still use their devices (phone + laptop), as I find it hard to change them, even if I think Android looks better these days (I don’t want to switch to Google services for example and with LineageOS I can’t use key applications), yet I use a minimal amount if their services (Apple Music (TV is included in a student offer), iTunes to buy movies. But stay away from iCloud in favour for open source alternatives and flexibility.

[–] claycle@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Yes, but.

Overall, yes, leverage the Apple Ecosystem as far as you can - and you can quite far before "needing" alternatives. I have several Apple devices are various stripes and the integration between them is very good/nice. I have a PC (strictly for gaming) and I made some efforts to integrate it with my Apple devices, but as I don't use it much except as a launch pad into Steam, it really doesn't matter much.

  • I use Apple Mail and probably always will. I have tried several options, but find Apple Mail works very well "for me".
  • I use Apple Calendar and probably always will. Works fine "for me".
  • I use Apple Notes for quick jots of generally disconnected information. I have tried many other Notes apps, and so many are just "too much" (Obsidian, for example, is an operating system masquerading as a note app :-) /s). I am happy that Bear recently upgraded to the long-awaited Version 2 and for my heavy-duty note lifting and writing, it's now my go-to.
  • I use Pages, Numbers, and Keynote. I have used Keynote to build mid-5-figure and low-6-figure productions (I charged) for large events. It never broke on me during a run, it never crashed, and I made some good dough with it.
  • I have used Final Cut Pro X and Motion to edit and release a feature length film. I actually migrated from pre-FCPX (8? 9?) to Adobe Premiere in 2010, used Adobe's terrible products diligently for almost a decadebecause I thought I had to, but finally ditched that shit for alternatives (Final Cut Pro, Motion, Blender, Logic Pro, Affinity Suite, primarily). I just last month finally cut off our Adobe CC subs for the production company, although we kept the Adobe Stock sub.
  • I use 1Password for cross-platform password management, but more-often-than-not I don't actually use it and rely on iCloud passwords, which work perfectly fine "for me", to the point that I am wondering if when the next rev of the OS comes out if I can ditch 1Password...
  • I have iCloud+/AppleOne because 1. I wanted 2TB of iCloud storage 2. I wanted Hide My Email and VPN 3. I wanted unfettered access to AppleTV (which is great, and I am in the business anyway) and Apple Arcade (which is pretty good, awkually).
  • I used to use Dropbox for professional file sharing, but after some privacy snafus on their part, I flirted with pCloud for a while (until I learned that you couldn't "ln -s aName aNotherName" in the pCloud file system). We now have Sync.com as a non-US-based, zero-knowledge encrypted professional file sharing service and I couldn't be happier with it. It is cheaper and more secure than Dropbox.
  • I travel extensively and I use Apple Maps almost to exclusion. I also use apps like inRoute and Scenic (I ride motorcycle long-distances sometimes). I have Google Maps on my devices, but never use it (I have de-Googled myself in general, though incompletely).
  • I use iMessage and FaceTime extensively and have never had a problem sending or receiving messages (that I am aware of). I especially like handing off phone calls to my other devices (for example, sitting at my laptop or desktop and my phone in the other room rings and I can call or answer on my computer).
  • I use Nova (and its sister app, Transmit) for website creation (using Hugo+Bootstrap) and other low-level programming/text operations. I did use VSCode previously, but I am quite satisfied with Nova and happy to support small MacOS developers with $.
  • I use Safari almost to exclusion, but Firefox in a pinch and exclusively on Windows.

I have used Linux (at one time I would build my own boxes), Windows (professionally), and macOS for decades relatively interchangeably, but in my dotage I am more and more becoming a MacOS-only user.

[–] mnrockclimber@lemmy.sdf.org -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Used to love 1Password through version 7. When it was a standalone, Apple-first, single purchase program.

Now it’s an electron cross platform app, features come to the macOS version last, and it’s a subscription.

I’m just using keychain now. Screw those guys.

I haven’t used Nova but I’m going to check that out. I’ve been using RapidWeaver for small static site design.

[–] Nogami@lemmy.world -3 points 1 year ago

Guess it depends what you define as OK.

Sure, everything will work fine, but it might not be the optimal workflow for all purposes.

It’s like saying is one paintbrush good for applying paint in your house. Sure it’ll probably get it on there but depends on the purpose and finish you desire.