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My wife's phone dies every. single. day. and I don't know why she doesn't just charge it at night.

I'm just wondering how people live like this πŸ˜…

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[–] gamebuster@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago

I don't want an exploding phone in my bedroom. I charge it at my desk while working

[–] Dekkia@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I charge it during the day at work.

Boss makes a dollar I make a dime...

[–] janonymous@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

... that's why I charge on company time

[–] CaptainBlagbird@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Fire hazard.

I charge it at work while I'm (mostly) conscious. xD

[–] Dirk@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago

I charge my phone at work ...

[–] memphis@lemmy.fmhy.ml 1 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Keeping Lithium-ion batteries at 100% charge will reduce their lifespan. They want to live in the 40-80% range. I use an app that notifies me when my phone has charged to 80%, so that I can unplug it. It may be overkill, but I plan to use this phone for 9 more years or so.

[–] RomanRoy@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Me too. Samsung has a feature to "protect battery life", so it only charges until 85%. You can keep it on power, but it won't surpass 85%.

[–] bitsplease@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago

Both iphone and androids have an OS option to stop charging at 85 though - I keep it on all the time unless I'm going to need that extra bit of juice

[–] rm_dash_r_star@lemm.ee 1 points 2 years ago

They want to live in the 40-80% range.

Yes, that's correct but with some extra consideration. There's two kinds of wear for Li-Ion batteries, shelf life and cycle life. To maximize shelf life you want to store at 40% to %50% charge in a cool environment. To maximize cycle life you want to avoid charging and discharging fully.

There's two curves where cycle life and shelf life cross for maximum longevity. For example if you shut off your Li-Ion powered device or remove the battery for long periods, shelf life becomes more significant. Storing at 40% charge in a cool environment will maximize battery life. If you discharge frequently, then keeping the charge cycle shallow will maximize longevity since that's going to be most significant.

Honestly it's complicated to deal with and squeezing all the life you can out of a battery is typically not worth the trouble. Though it's definitely nice when chargers give you options, most don't.

In general Li-Ion batteries are highly desirable for their top tier energy density and that's why they're so ubiquitous, but the wear and safety considerations are big disadvantages. The holy grail of battery technology is to eliminate those issues.

[–] GlenTheFrog@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

9 more years?? I've gotten almost 6 years out of my Oneplus 5T and I've been ecstatic about it. It's literally lasted 3 times longer than any phone I've had before it

[–] memphis@lemmy.fmhy.ml 1 points 2 years ago

I have a Fairphone, and repairability is one of their main selling points! 9 years is optimistic but shoot for the stars right?

[–] tmpod@lemmy.pt 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I used to never charge my phone at night, because of my battery health pedantry. I the found the AccA app which enables me to limit the maximum charging, so now I sometimes leave it changing during the night.

[–] c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

If you're still convinced you need to run your battery down to zero you're operating on outdated knowledge of NiCad batteries and ruining your lithium ion batteries.

My Android phone has a built in functionality to charge so that it hits 100% when your alarm is rigged to go off. Idk about iphone though.

[–] tmpod@lemmy.pt 0 points 2 years ago (5 children)

I was not talking about running the battery down to 0, that's no good for li-ion batteries either. I was talking about the exact, opposite, reaching 100% and staying there for hours on end (which happens during the night). With AccA I can set an upper limit.

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[–] SillyJester@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Don't you like... live with your wife...? sleep in the same room...? You should be the one with the answer. πŸ˜…

[–] Veedems@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago

Lol I was going to say something similar. Just…ask her?

[–] sneakyninjapants@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 years ago (3 children)

I feel this pain. Wife's battery-powered devices are always in a constant state of dying. Something has convinced her that it's better to let the battery almost! die, then charge it to full, but not leave it plugged in because that will degrade the battery; meaning it never gets charged overnight. I'm sure there's a small kernel of truth in where she learned that, but it's almost a joke at this point when she goes scrambling for her charger when using her phone, tablet, etc. It's painful, but also adorable? I guess. Anyway, it's not a hill I'm willing to die on, so I just let it be and laugh almost everytime it happens.

[–] killall-q@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

She needn't worry about manually optimizing battery wear, and, in fact, the most harmful thing you can do to a battery is to fully deplete it frequently.

Educate her about built-in optimized battery charging. iPhones and some Androids have it.

[–] entropicdrift@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 2 years ago

This. My wife and I have that setting turned on on our Samsung phones. Mine is 3 years old and I still get all-day battery

[–] Zamboniman@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 years ago

Something has convinced her that it’s better to let the battery almost! die, then charge it to full, but not leave it plugged in because that will degrade the battery

That was true a long time ago when NiCad batteries were around. But, since they had the problems you described, they're not around any more, and phones generally all use lithium-ion batteries which don't have this issue.

[–] SilentStorms@lemmy.fmhy.ml 1 points 2 years ago

I think that was true like.. 10+ years ago, but battery and power management tech have advanced so that's no longer necessesary. I think running full cycles on your battery is actually bad for it now, I set mine to stop charging when it hits 85% to preserve battery health.

Sounds stressful constantly worrying about battery life, plopping it on a wireless charger before bed is the way to go.

[–] BrooklynMan@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

when i see people's phones constantly at, like, 12%, it drives me crazy.

[–] BreakNeckJim@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 years ago

Haha it's always funny with screenshots posted on social media, like 4% I'm sweating πŸ˜…

[–] DrFuggles@feddit.de 1 points 2 years ago

Same thing with my girlfriend. I even got a charger and a cable just for her exclusive use but she keeps unplugging my phone because "it has more charge than mine". Which, fair, but like??? It didn't have to be this way??

[–] dwindling7373@feddit.it 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I don't know you married one, ask her and let us know?

[–] BreakNeckJim@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 years ago

Oh I have, I've heard every excuse haha, mostly just that she doesn't think of it? Seems weird to me

[–] coffeekomrade@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I read to fall asleep, so my phone usually stays with me in bed. Pro-Tip, if she has an iPhone, set the Sleep focus to turn on at a specific time and enable low power mode.

[–] zettajon@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago

For many years I always did this for my own android phone in Tasker, and more recently Samsung Modes&Routines, but thank you for this as I just realized I never did the same for my wife's iPhone

[–] BrownNote@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago

Some people just don't give a f*ck, even when they complain about it all the time...

[–] synapse1278@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Because I try to charge my phone when I am in the office, as much as possible. There are no small savings in my book :D

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I have a wireless charging stand at work, so my phone is nearly 70% charged when I go to bed. No real point to me in having extra clutter on my nightstand.

On the weekends, I’ll charge my phone on the kitchen counter while making breakfast for the kids.

[–] raubarno@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Because my smartphone with Li-Ion 3140 mAh battery lives 48-72 hours. No google apps (LineageOS), LTE is off (I use only WiFi), Bluetooth is off. Well, I use my phone mostly for texting and calling, rarely for surfing the web, showing my PDF tickets and for offline location-guided maps (a.k.a. Trekarta). That's it.

EDIT: that depends on the use case, though...

[–] BrownNote@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago

This is not a normal use case. I listen to music via wifi and have to charge my phone like twice a day or more.

[–] exododo@lemmy.fmhy.ml 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Sometimes I fall sleep while scrolling or watching something in bed, so no overnight charge

[–] BrownNote@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago

No good for your health my guy

[–] iridaniotter@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I thought you're not supposed to keep things charging after they reach full battery. Also I don't have a plug near my bed lol

[–] tiwenty@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Recent smartphones learn your patterns and don't fill up until the morning. For instance my phone currently is stuck at 80% and says it'll be fully charged at 7AM

[–] danie10@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

We are the same, I put my phone and charge (set to stop charging at 85%) overnight, my wife does not, and then her phone dies at odd times like when she is out shopping. I suppose it is about having a scheduled routine or not. I have alarms set for 10:30 every evening to check if a charge is needed for my watch that day. Some people just don't like the routine and prefer to live a bit more on the edge.

[–] jbd@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago

I set the charging limit to 75% using Battery Charge Limit and use a magnetic charging cable.

[–] solstice@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I suck at sleeping so when I feel like I could conk out I seize the opportunity and go for it. Plugging in my phone is part of my bedtime ritual, so I trick my brain into not going into high gear to resist shutting down by not charging at night. You think I'm kidding, it's a battle every day.

[–] BrewJajaja@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] RemorniaLivingBlade@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Melatonin is not just great for falling but also for staying asleep. I'm so happy I found this...

[–] BrownNote@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago

It helps me fall asleep, but I always wake up a few hours later. I've tried different doses too to no avail. :(

[–] rm_dash_r_star@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

There's actually a safety factor there. When Li-Ion (lithium-ion) batteries fail and suffer thermal runaway (fire), it's most commonly during charging. It's rare, but it does still happen. The rule is to avoid charging Li-Ion powered devices unattended. I do that at times myself, but I realize the risk and actually put things in a "charging pot" if unattended.

You don't need anything fancy to use as a charging pot, a ceramic casserole dish will do. If you're going to charge while asleep or out of the house it's not a bad idea to use some kind of containment.

[–] BrownNote@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago

Bringing back chamber pots one person at a time

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