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Tensions between Manila and Beijing remain high after the Philippines coast guard cut China's barriers in disputed waters last month.

Manila resupplies its outpost in the Second Thomas Shoal, in the Spratly Islands, every month to reinforce its economic rights to waters that are both rich in fish and mineral resources.

Beijing claims almost the entire South China Sea, including the Spratlys, which is also claimed in part by the Philippines.

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[–] worldwidewave@lemmy.world 121 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Imperialism, that’s what this is. It’s a naked land (or, I guess, mainly water) grab for strategic reasons, from land that is already owned by other nations.

For many of the same reasons that we can’t allow Putin to take any more European land, if the world turns a blind eye to China brazenly stealing territory in the South China Sea, what will they take next?

[–] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 49 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is merely a precursor. Just wait until the broader resource wars kick off in the next 10-20 years.

  • We're rapidly depleting fresh water reserves everywhere, from groundwater to glaciers.
  • Arable land is being squandered
  • There aren't enough finite resources to convert the world to a zero carbon energy grid, whether the blocker is hard (not enough) or soft (extraction &/or refinement is economically unfeasible)

There are probably going to be dozens of wars fought directly due to resource constraints in the next 50 years.

[–] fluxion@lemmy.world 27 points 1 year ago (1 children)

We need a giant drone ship that just goes around and politely pushes belligerent Chinese vessels back to actual Chinese waters

[–] QuinceDaPence@kbin.social 22 points 1 year ago (3 children)

The USS Put that Thing Back Where it Came From or so Help Me.

Or re-commission the USS Kidd and hoist the black flag again.

[–] Foggyfroggy@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Sounds like the name of a Culture ship

[–] 3ntranced@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

It's a musical! Put that thing back where it came from or so help meeee, so help me! So help me, and ICBM.

[–] ikidd@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago
[–] Luci@lemmy.ca 11 points 1 year ago

"Territorial integrity"

[–] Jaysyn@kbin.social 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Time for the US Navy to decide to use that waterway and watch them scatter.

[–] Buelldozer 13 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Yeah we could, and occasionally we do, that but its very confrontational and can easily lead to a continually escalating game of one-upmanship that really has no good end.

[–] pensa@kbin.social 21 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

It is properly called Freedom of Navigation and has nothing to do with one-upmanship. It is international law that pretty much everyone agrees to except China. We, as Americans, are in the best position to counter their territory grabs in the area by conducting Freedom of Navigation operations.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_navigation

[–] Skua@kbin.social 12 points 1 year ago

China actually is a signatory of UNCLOS but seems to forget that

[–] magnetosphere@kbin.social 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Constantly letting China grab whatever territory they want is 100% guaranteed to have no good end. A show of force is not. China has the option to back down, obey international law, and prevent war.

[–] Buelldozer 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I didn't say anything about "Constantly letting them grab whatever territory they want." I said that we already directly interdict occasionally but it's very confrontational and doing it too often starts a game of tit-for-tat that will become very difficult to stop.

It's better to support the Philippines and others with material and technology and let THEM do it...which is primarily how the United States is handling the problem. We don't need to rush in and flop our enormous Naval Cock on the table every time the Chinese Coast Guard does something stupid.

Empower the locals to handle the small stuff. It slows or prevents escalation and builds trust, trust we may really need if things go pear shaped.

[–] bioemerl@kbin.social 7 points 1 year ago

Claiming the South China Sea is confrontational.

Showing those claims are bunk makes sure that China doesn't think it can gain from further claims.

[–] ysjet@lemmy.world -3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Found the Chineseshill account.

[–] Buelldozer 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Wait, what? You must be joking. I'm a Chinese Shill? Huh, guess I'll have to cancel my Patreon to China Uncensored...

[–] iturnedintoanewt@lemm.ee -2 points 1 year ago

Falun Gong shill, then.