I'm pretty sure most countries are deep in debt... fiscally we're still feeling pain from lockdowns and emergency pandemic spending.
this post was submitted on 14 Oct 2024
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However many of the rich countries are in debt in currency they control. The US, China and the EU mostly borrow in dollar, RMB and Euro. So if they have a massive debt crisis they just print a lot of money and can pay back the debt. That comes with inflation, but that is not that bad.
The poorest countries in the world mainly borrow in USD, which they can not just print. They have to net export to get USD to pay back debt. Add to that other massive problems. Afghanistan, Yemen, Syria and Ethiopia all have ongoing civil wars, Chad is landlocked and the country it would trade through is currently in a civil war. North Korea is sanctioned to hell and back. That makes paying back any debt much harder.
The IMF is a mafia. Forcing countries into debt is a policy choice, not an ethical choice.
It’s not the IMF causing this. China’s belt and road initiative saddled many 3rd world countries in Asia and Africa with infrastructure projects that were poorly scoped, planned and built with no hope of paying for themselves.
China’s loans are made outside of the IMF. Countries in need of debt relief have not been granted any by China. The IMF by extension is not going to take a haircut on loans to those countries if China doesn’t shoulder some of the responsibility for the loans they made as well.
https://www.politico.com/news/2023/04/11/china-lending-imf-world-bank-00090588
The IMF still controls the global south's access to money. They are still driving global direction of debt discussions. They still require endebted countries to cut social spending and open up to privatization. Even BRICs money, like from China, as you state, is beholden to IMF approval.
https://chinaglobalsouth.com/analysis/imf-good-china-debt-trap-%F0%9F%A4%A6%F0%9F%8F%BE/
China and the BRICS countries are piloting a new path forward with the attempt to make the world more economically equitable. Anything that upsets the status quo will get negative press from the likes of politico.
Even BRICs money, like from China, as you state, is beholden to IMF approval.
That is not at all what I stated. China’s loans fall outside of the control of the IMF.
China and the BRICS countries are piloting a new path forward with the attempt to make the world more economically equitable.
Interesting choice of words, China is charting a new path forward by refusing to negotiate debt relief for third world nations and seizing their strategic assets. However it is very much not economically equitable.
As stated before the IMF is not going to negotiate debt relief for these nations as long as China does not do the same. Western countries are not going to take a loss on loans they made to subsidize China’s economic imperialism.
There's a lot of disagreement in the modern world about the validity of MMIT and how "real" debt is - but the debt in first world countries is still a real issue and essentially acts as a wealth transfer to the rich - private individuals and companies own that debt and earn interest on it that tax payers (bear in mind that the rich contribute relatively little overall taxes) have to service.
The deeper into debt we go the less spending power we're left with.
Not necessarily. As long as the debt is invested well, it is absolutly fine. If the debt is used to increase the size of the economy, that means more taxes and hence the debt can pay itself. The other scenario is the government investing into something, which increases in value. Keep in mind that the governments rates are lower the private rates, so if a government builds a lot of housing for its citizens, that increases debt, but is still cheaper then everybody building their own housing themself. Similar effects can be had by buying companies.
Debt is a tool, it can be used for both good and bad. It really depends on how good the government is.
That I absolutely agree with - debt that is taken on as an investment can be well worth it and, imo, a lot of our government debt is well spent (outside of military bullshit which is deeply wasteful).
The issue is that debt needs servicing and if it's wasteful spending we're committing to paying back more value than we're borrowing. I'm not an anti-debt person, I think borrowing for investment is a generally good idea - I'm just opposed to a certain vein of modern monetary theory that declares that US debt is unlimited and free because the world runs on the US dollar.
MMT would claim rather simply that the debt can be paid back by printing more money. More money in the system means more people are employed. If you have full employment, more money leads to inflation and to fight inflation governments need to raise taxes, to take money out of the system. Obviously taxes can not be raised to infinity.
So no MMT does not claim the US can just borrow money without long term costs.
Ok but the govt is funding genocide, not housing.
A little but what most people don't seem to be aware of is that most war spending far outstrips what was spent on lockdown etc. Yet, for some reason, this lesser amount is meant to be the cause of all economic misfortune right now.
Countries can cope with things like that well enough. The problem is, we're no longer taxing the rich to pay for things, the way we always used to, anymore and most counties have been asset stripped by those very same people they used to tax properly.
Very sad to see this for so many nations.