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Russia’s war in Ukraine is already in its 17th month. In that time, President Vladimir Putin has clearly demonstrated that he is not bothered by losses — whether they be financial, material, or human. His war will go on as long as he needs. And, judging by how the authorities have woven the so-called “special military operation” into Russian life, that will be a long time.

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[–] blanketswithsmallpox@kbin.social 35 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I see the Russia shills and trolls have finally started to move on from reddit now lol. LarkinDePark, Yogthos. RIP.

[–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 27 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Bud those "Russian shills" have been here much longer than you

[–] pinkdrunkenelephants@lemm.ee 7 points 1 year ago (9 children)

How does that change what they are?

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[–] psilocybin@discuss.tchncs.de 25 points 1 year ago

You joined one month ago

Yogthos' account is 4 years old.

At least this indicates that he is a human with an opinion that he stated on a highly nieche community and not a paid actor that only joins and starts to influence consensus after a community grows.

You on the other hand...

Jk, but think before you misrepresent a community and people as being shills.

For sake of completeness: account dates can be manipulated by the owner of the instance the account is registered on

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[–] sndmn@lemmy.ca 30 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Russia is so weak and pathetic. I'd call them a joke but their war crimes aren't funny.

[–] LarkinDePark@lemmygrad.ml 18 points 1 year ago (3 children)
[–] Duamerthrax@lemmy.ml 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If Russia didn't want more of their neighbors to be NATO allies, maybe they should stop giving their neighbors reason to join.

[–] LarkinDePark@lemmygrad.ml 21 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

NATO exists to solve the problems created by NATO's existence. The reasons for joining NATO are to funnel money to America's military contractors Nothing else.

[–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Don't forget to have a place to put nazis after ww2

[–] LarkinDePark@lemmygrad.ml 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] phar@lemmy.ml 16 points 1 year ago (10 children)

Nah, NATO is definitely not weak. Russia showed the world they are weak. So much for Russian military might.

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[–] 100@lemm.ee 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] zephyrvs@lemmy.ml 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

How to say you're a NAFO shill without saying you're a NATO shill.

[–] 100@lemm.ee 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Correct. I'll happily shill for the defensive alliance formed to ward off (the currently on display) Russian aggression. NATO would not exist if Russia weren't so nakedly attempting to rebuild the Soviet Union by force, an alliance that had already been litigated and abandoned by the smaller nations Russia pillaged for resources, this time without even pretending to be for the workers.

Edit: no amount of tankie brigading will convince me that Russia isn't the aggressor in the region. Imagine the brainrot required to think that the military that invaded Ukraine and is still currently there is the good team.

[–] 133arc585@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

If you truly think this is a display of Russian aggression I genuinely doubt that you have any historic view on the geopolitics of the region. The conflict did not appear out of thin air in 2022. The situation is more complex than "Russian aggression"; in fact that's not even a part of the picture. Russia is responding to requests for assistance after Ukraine began bombing its own people in 2014. Many of these people voted to join Russia after this disgusting display by Ukraine. Before 2022 most of the combatants against Ukraine were regular people fighting for their homes and families. These people realize that Ukraine wants to bomb their homes and Russia is offering to fight alongside them. On the weekend before the SMO began, there were 2000 ceasefire violations in the Donbass. Between 2014 and 2022, 1 million Ukrainians immigrated to Russia because of the abuse by the Ukrainian government. And since the operation began in 2022, another 1.3 million immigrated. The people in these territories that Ukraine has zero regard for view the support they are receiving from Russia positively: they invited Russia in to assist them, and they are somewhat reliant on Russia to protect them from Ukraine.

I know life is a lot easier when you don't muddy things with context. I know that it's a lot easier to be righteous in your condemnation of a world power because they're "evil" and an "aggressor" than it is to acknowledge that the situation is more complex. I know that it's a lot easier to go along with what Western media says than to be informed and hold your own opinions. I know it feels nice to rally with everyone against a perceived enemy. I know it feels nice to feel that your country (and military) is finally doing something good for once. But you can't let wanting to feel good stand in the way of reality. The Western media has done a hell of a job propagandizing this war, attempting to remove any historical and geopolitical context, in order to gather and maintain support. Think honestly: how much historical and geopolitical context have you seen, especially from popular media sources? How much more effort is spent on raging about current "evil deeds" than understanding the desires of the people in the actual territories that have asked Russia for help?

Please read, and inform yourself. Life is less black-and-white than "Russia evil".

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[–] Blursty@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You're in a thread that's showed you that NATO was a place to give jobs to high ranking Nazis. It's the world's most aggressive military alliance that Russia is defending itself from.

[–] 100@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Lmfao "defending itself." Where's the Russian military right now pal? I, too, defend my home by attacking my neighbors.

[–] Hexadecimalkink@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Are your neighbours putting a nuclear missile in their yard and pointing it at your house, and you're doing nothing?

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[–] wildncrazyguy@kbin.social 28 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So they’re raiding their welfare fund to sustain the war. Thing is, according to the newsletter, the fund will go from 6.8 to 2.5 trillion rubles in 1 year. And this is to be an eternal war? What do they do once everyone’s pensions are wiped out?

[–] nitrolife@rekabu.ru 24 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

no one is counting on pensions here. even if you have worked all your life in 2 companies at the same time with salary near 4000$ at mounth, you will receive pension only $160 per month.

[–] agarorn@feddit.de 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Are these the real Russian pensions? I am confused as you used dollars and not rubles.

[–] nitrolife@rekabu.ru 22 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

No one would understand what the amount in rubles means here. I suspect that even in dollars it is difficult to understand.

For example, is it possible to survive in Russia on $ 160 a month? The answer is - if you have a living space in a property or a country house, then yes, although this will make you save a lot on food, and in some cases you will starve a little.

In general, if you are interested in delving into the topic, there are a lot of social benefits for pensioners in Russia. For example, you can not pay land tax if you live outside the city, do not pay tax for a car, do not pay for public transport and in some cases for train tickets. Medical care is also free, although queues usually line up for several weeks in advance. But almost all of these benefits are provided not by the pension fund, but by other.

I can't speak for everyone, but many of my friends pensioners who have suburban plots are engaged in gardening to save on food. In any case, in the western part of Russia, where the climate allows.

In any case, in numbers, the situation is still exactly like this. My father has not worked officially for half his life and receives a pension of 13,000 rubles. 143$. My mother worked almost all her life at two jobs with a high salary and receives 18,000 rubles. 197$. Almost all pensioners rely on children to provide money or work to death.

And proof for you:

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[–] OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The Russian economy is set to completely reverse last year’s slump – something Putin has recently highlighted. Manufacturing and construction lead the way, alongside retail. In a broad sense, all three sectors are beneficiaries of the war. The defense sector, working in three shifts, is boosting production: in June, for example, the biggest increases were in finished metal products (+45.8% year-on-year); computers, electronics and optics (+71.6% year-on-year), radar equipment (+75.4% year-on-year) and electrical equipment (+32.1% year-on-year). Production capacities are running at their maximum.

[–] Vilian@lemmy.ca 11 points 1 year ago

something Putin has recently highlighted

so, we now know it gonna do the opposite nice

[–] Fredselfish@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago (24 children)

So whats the plan? How can this end?

[–] SuspiciousUser@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 year ago (17 children)

He can wait to see if Trump becomes president, because we all know how it will end with his BFF in charge.

[–] athos77@kbin.social 15 points 1 year ago

Any Republican, really. Just listen to Fox or the Republicans in Congress.

[–] kingthrillgore@kbin.social 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is the long game, because if Trump wins, he can get the US out of NATO and that's a constitutional crisis at home, and a serious flashpoint to drive Europe back into squabbling.

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[–] TWeaK@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago

The plan is to profit from war, and that's the thing, it never ends.

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[–] keyboardpithecus@lemmy.basedcount.com 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

This is one of the things I pointed out in the post on the permanent war. Russia since the beginning dumped into the war old and outdated equipment. They sent to the front those who they considered the less valuable soldiers at the same time initially they avoided to send recruits from the draft to minimise the political backlash within Russia.

Since the beginning they handled it as a long term attrition war.

[–] yata@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

That's not true. They lost most of their so-called "elite" units at the beginning of the war, thinking it would be a very short war and that these units would just walk into Kyiv. Units which they are incapable of replacing in any meaningful way.

The mobilisation only came months after their initiation of the war, when they realised it would not be a short term affair.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's also been the view of actual military people in NATO, but you'll never hear about this in the mainstream media

https://www.russiamatters.org/analysis/whats-ahead-war-ukraine

[–] OceanSoap@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yup, and the US military-industrial-complex has been frothing at the mouth for another long-term war they can profit off of, and they've got their wish.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 year ago

Yeah, NATO will now force all the European countries to up their military spending and do austerity. The oligarchs running the war industry are going to be swimming in cash while people are gonna starve. Now that they have a credible enemy to scare people with, it's going to be an unlimited tap.

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