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Israel was taken by surprise by the most ambitious operation Hamas has ever launched from Gaza.

The scale of what's been happening is unprecedented. Hamas breached the wire that separates Gaza from Israel in multiple places in the most serious cross-border attack Israel has faced in more than a generation.

It came a day after the 50th anniversary of the surprise attack by Egypt and Syria in 1973 that started a major Middle East war. The significance of the date will not have been lost on the Hamas leadership.

Israel's Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu says his country is at war and will exact a heavy price from its enemies.

Videos and photos of dead Israelis, civilians as well as soldiers, are all over social media.

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[–] bestnerd@lemmy.world 65 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I mean, Israel kind of threw the first stone and built the first wall

[–] athos77@kbin.social 61 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Their settlers have been entering the Al Aqsa Mosque en masse for the past couple weeks, trying to pray, which even the Israeli government says they're not supposed to do.

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[–] MTK@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They came for the civilians, they shot families in their homes, literal children and babies. No stone provoked this.

[–] rockyTron@lemm.ee 52 points 1 year ago (25 children)

The Israeli settlers did this first in the forties when they invaded and colonized Palestine, indiscriminate violence was their M.O., so yes the first stone was thrown two generations ago. Not excusing the violence today, but it is not unexpected nor unprecedented by either side of this conflict.

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[–] Wahots@pawb.social 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It belonged to the British before WW2. After the war, where Israel was created after 6,000,000 Jewish people (among other "undesirable" groups, such as gay people) were summarily executed by the nazis, it fell under immediately attack from all of its neighbors in 1947. Two years after six million were executed.

The Arab League members Egypt, Transjordan, Syria, Lebanon and Iraq refused to accept the UN partition plan and proclaimed the right of self-determination for the Arabs across the whole of Palestine. The Arab states marched their forces into what had, until the previous day, been the British Mandate for Palestine, starting the first Arab–Israeli War. After an initial loss of territory by the Jewish state, the tide turned in the Israelis' favour and they pushed the Arab armies back beyond the borders of the proposed Arab state

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Israel

While it doesn't excuse brutal repression, I don't think they are ever going to back down. Any time they do, everyone seems to execute all of them in pogroms.

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[–] WheeGeetheCat@sh.itjust.works 41 points 1 year ago (35 children)

Everyone choosing a side between Palestine and Israel, but I'm going to take the mega unpopular stance of fuck both these people. Fuck the fundamentalist followers of Abraham, no matter what branch.

They would visit great violence on you in the name of their god if they had the chance. They are murderously self-righteous.

[–] AdmiralShat@programming.dev 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah I'm with you here.

Seems so strange that two sects of the same religion would commit horrid acts of violence against each other, against children, all because at some point some dude may have said some different shit than some other dude at a place like 60 miles away.

I also don't get the side picking. This attack was violent and horrible, but does that wipe away the decades of horrible shit Isreal has done? Seems like two toxic groups are doing toxic shit at each other.

I only feel sorry for the innocent people caught in the cross fire.

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[–] MataVatnik@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

Enlightened centrist

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[–] UltraMagnus0001@lemmy.world 35 points 1 year ago (21 children)

GB and the allies said, hey we'll put you here in Israel since 2000 years ago the Pharaohs made you slaves. Don't mind the people living here, they'll just move. They did the same thing with India and Pakistan. I wonder how the animosity between these groups started?

[–] punseye@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

While Britain did make the matters worse but we must not forget that Hindus and Muslims have been at war with each other for a millennium now.

Same for Jews and Muslims.

People also want to indulge in political correctness and give free pass to Islamic scriptures which promotes hatred against Jews and Polytheists (Hindus).

That's why you'll find Muslims in Israel and India living largely peacefully but Hindus in Pakistan and Jews in Palestine continue to face atrocities.

In fact Hindus don't even have freedom of religion in India as many of our sacred Hindu sites were destroyed by Islamic invaders and mosques were built upon them.

Today's conflict between India and Pakistan is basically Hindus in conflict with ex-Hindus who converted to Islam to escape from Jizya (Islamic tax) and other forms of atrocities.

Another thing that makes India unique is that it has somehow retained some bits of it's culture even after the repeated Islamic invasions, that's not the case with other 50 odd Islamic countries. Spain might be the only other exception.

So, these are centuries old conflicts which Britishers exploited well.

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[–] Number1SummerJam@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Is there going to be another war or should this just be considered a small scale attack?

[–] Telodzrum@lemmy.world 52 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Bibi's an authoritarian with a strong desire to create a sort of ethnostate. He also needs the media to cover something other than his corruption and his removal of the judiciary's independence from his regime.

So, I expect this to be extremely ugly and to leave Palestine and her people worse off than ever before.

A major issue is that there isn't even a Palestinian Authority with which to negotiate anymore. And, Hamas is happy to let Palestine and Palestinians suffer to the last person so long as it means they get to shoot at just one more Israeli. It will go on until Israel wants to stop, which under the current government may be never.

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[–] betwixthewires@lemmy.basedcount.com 34 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No, Israel has declared war. This is a BFD. A couple hundred dead, 1500 injured, Hamas is going door to door executing people. 2000 rockets fired into Israel. They've captured territory. They've captured the general of the Israeli defence force. This isn't some border skirmish like we have heard about for a couple of decades, this was a very competent full scale attack.

Israel doesn't fuck around. Even if you don't agree with them, they're very militarily capable. Israel is about to turn Gaza into rubble in under a week. In the 6 day war, several Arab countries formed a coalition and attacked Israel, and got so thoroughly buttspanked they haven't done it since. Within 6 days they conquered all the way to the current Jordanian border, the Golan Heights from Syria, and the entirety of Sinai, which they returned as a gesture. Gaza is about to get glassed.

[–] cyd@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

So, we expect 10,000 Palestinians dead by the end of Israel's retaliation? 100,000? More?

[–] AFaithfulNihilist@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Genocide. Anticipate genocide as Israel uses this opportunity to justify eradicating the Palestinians. Never mind that everyone was warned that this would happen if they continued to bulldoze houses during Ramadan.

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I have no fucking idea man. I just know that Israel doesn't fuck around. Whatever they do, it will be decisive and effective.

[–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

Just pulling numbers out of my ass, but I would not be surprised if the eventual total was in the tens of thousands, and also if it takes 20 years for the true total to be known

[–] Chunk@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

I bet it's more than 20:1.

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[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social 24 points 1 year ago

I mean Israel already declared a state of war. Yeah this is not a small scale attack, and is actually the first time Hamas actually attacked Israel with foot soldiers.

[–] money_loo@1337lemmy.com 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Naw just more scratching and clawing from a desperate animal being slowly choked to death and driven into the sea.

More bombing and annexing to be expected.

[–] generalpotato@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Right, this was never a “war”, just atrocities and genocide.

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[–] metaStatic@kbin.social 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

another war

did the last one ever stop?

[–] Chunk@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

If I were Mossad I'd be ashamed right now. How the fuck did they miss this? The FBI missed 12(?) 9/11 hijackers and it was the fuck up of a lifetime. Mossad missed an ENTIRE MILITARY OPERATION. Wtf?

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[–] autotldr@lemmings.world 6 points 1 year ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


Other videos of armed men from Hamas hauling soldiers and civilians into captivity in Gaza have enraged and alarmed Israelis.

Israelis and Palestinians have been focusing on the West Bank, the territory between Jerusalem and the Jordanian border that Israel has occupied since 1967, where there has been almost continuous confrontation and violence throughout the year.

Armed Palestinians, especially those operating out of the West Bank towns of Jenin and Nablus, have attacked Israeli soldiers and Jewish settlers.

Extreme religious nationalists inside Israel's right-wing government have repeated their claim that the occupied territories, in their entirety, are Jewish land.

During the last week, some Jews have prayed inside the Aqsa Mosque compound, the third holiest place for Muslims after Mecca and Medina in Saudi Arabia.

At the heart of the trouble is the intractable and unresolved century-long conflict between Arabs and Jews for control of the land between the Mediterranean Sea and the river Jordan.


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[–] cricket97@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

"Blindsides" give me a break. You are telling me one of the most intelligence heavy militaries in the world couldn't possibly have seen this coming? Israel let this happen to justify wiping out hamas for good.

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