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[–] jia_tan@lemmy.blahaj.zone 146 points 1 week ago (9 children)

Famously transporting large volumes of hydrogen has never gone wrong and hydrogen charging stations have proven very reliable and also hydrogen as an alternative to electric is definitely not a ploy by big oil to keep drilling for fossil fuels!

Good job hyundai 👍 Very credible 👍🏿

[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 84 points 1 week ago (5 children)

No no, it’s credible because it decreases the ground weight, and if you fill it up enough, it can just float over AT mines 🤓

[–] eggymachus@sh.itjust.works 23 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Heh yeah, though it’s also an Iain M. Banks reference

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[–] whyNotSquirrel@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yes that is the sound that the compressor makes when it puts the hydrogen in

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[–] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 40 points 1 week ago (9 children)

In the case of military vehicles, hydrogen is about the greenest option that we're gonna get. No one is going to make a battery powered AFV, because where the fuck would you charge it?

[–] DrunkenPirate@feddit.org 46 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (6 children)

Who if not the Germans built an electric tank in 2020 https://efahrer.chip.de/news/geraeuschlose-einsaetze-weltweit-erster-elektro-panzer-kommt-aus-deutschland_103179

Sounds crazy at first but comes with some good advantages: it can cross rivers as it doesn’t need air for combustion, it’s silent, and you can load it anywhere at the battle field if you have solar panels, time and sun. Still you can rely on military logistics to carry a swap battery. But isn’t the military supply chain the first target to disrupt? My two cents, this is the next thing at battle fields.

Oh, and if all your equipment runs on electricity, you can load and reload power at your needs. Tank needs power but car not? Combat robot out if power and car is full? Transfer the power

[–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 1 points 6 days ago

And if your tank is electric, it can be modified later with a small nuclear or fusion reactor.

[–] SARGE@startrek.website 22 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Honestly if MILITARY applications are what kicks renewable energy and mass storage into high gear, I won't be surprised, but I will be disappointed.

But hey, improvement is still improvement and if a military organization sees renewable as the future, they're gonna try to make sure they get there first. As long as whoever gets there shares the progress with the rest of the world, I'm okay with it.

But who am I kidding, it's gonna be China or the US and the rest of the world won't see shit for decades due to suppression of research and technology that would allow for similar specs to be achieved privately...

... How credible is my aluminum foil hat guy?

I must admit though, it'd be cool to see an armored combat battery sliding across a field to quick charge a tank that died mid-battle. 10 seconds of charging to get it up and running, and the battery moves to the next low power thing. I'm imagining a semi-autonomous hot-swap of a battery compartment and eventually recharging like modern airplane mid-air refueling. Insert Rod A into Slot A and wait a little bit. The faster they want it to charge, the more they'll dump into R&D.

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[–] zaphod@sopuli.xyz 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Any reasonably sized pv installation near a battlefield will definitely not look suspicious on reconnaissance images.

[–] DrunkenPirate@feddit.org 9 points 1 week ago

You think less suspicious than these huge petrol storages in a city?

PV can be dismantled, if needed. I bet it’s even cheaper to replace when destroyed compared to petrol storage. Anyway, future will tell

[–] Track_Shovel@slrpnk.net 7 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Tanks are going the way of the battle ship though. Drones are doing a lot of the stuff they can do, and a lot of things they can't.

[–] xavier_berthiaume@jlai.lu 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I'm not super familiar with the matter, but what do you mean by "going the way of the battle ship"? Do you mean they're becoming more obsolete because of their size/utility compared to drones?

[–] Track_Shovel@slrpnk.net 14 points 1 week ago (1 children)

That, and expense. Tanks cost millions, while a $5k drone with an RPG strapped to it can take it out and exploit the weak spots.

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[–] aard@kyu.de 5 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Still you can rely on military logistics to carry a swap battery. But isn’t the military supply chain the first target to disrupt?

That's true as well for hydrogen, though. And I guess there's a higher chance of getting access to "power" somewhere in the field than finding a hydrogen tank. Also, energy density of lithium batteries is higher than for hydrogen storage.

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[–] FundMECFSResearch@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Isn’t hydrogen even more flammable and explosive than petroleum. Just seems like a dumb idea to put that in a military vehicle.

[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 34 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yes, obviously, putting explosives and projectile propellants in an armored vehicle is dangerous and should be avoided

/s

OSHA is not a credible military threat

[–] FundMECFSResearch@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (9 children)

Right, but you are going to want to choose a fuel that has the least chance of flaming up if you’re making a military vehicle.

Hydrogen has (compared to petroleum) a Wider Flammability Range, Lower Ignition Energy (0.02 millijoules) which is really low and much smaller than petroleum, and a higher diffusion rate.

All of which make it more likely to go kaboom.

[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 1 points 6 days ago

H2 is much safer than gasoline. Gasoline with explode as a bomb. A leak will make everything around it super flamable. An H2 tank that both is ruptured and on fire will shoot a flare into the air, instead of blowing up and killing everyone in the vehicle.

[–] Uranium_Green@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

Silly one, and but do tanks run on diesel?

Every other heavy machine I can think of typically uses diesel for their engines: tractors, lorries, boats.

Also diesel is less flammable then petrol or hydrogen in the event of a spill of leak...

[–] P00ptart@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The Abrams uses jet fuel mainly. But most tanks are diesel.

[–] SARGE@startrek.website 9 points 1 week ago (3 children)

The Abrams can run on just about anything liquid and flammable. It's not gonna be happy about it, but it'll go.

I think it was designed by pakleds...

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[–] Kalkaline@leminal.space 8 points 1 week ago

You'd probably want a quick swap battery and charging far from the front lines.

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[–] TranscendentalEmpire@lemm.ee 39 points 1 week ago (1 children)

My dude, the military transports more volatile materials than hydrogen every day. Just because something doesn't make sense for civilian use doesn't mean it's never going to be viable for military use.

If you're worried about the dangers of transporting something like hydrogen, you're going to lose it when you find out what bombs are made out of.

Electric motors are just more efficient in just about every way at scale, the current diesel motors being used in tanks aren't really able to be improved upon. They're at their technological peak, so the only way to move forward with mbt is by figuring out how to make electric motors work.

[–] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 1 points 6 days ago (2 children)

An unarmed bomb can be dropped from cruising altitude onto a hard surface and not detonate. The US military has had nukes fall out of planes without breaching the radioactive core.

Also, the energy density of hydrogen is pretty poor, diesel electric hybrid on the other hand is a proven technology.

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[–] Geometrinen_Gepardi@sopuli.xyz 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

hydrogen as an alternative to electric is definitely not a ploy by big oil to keep drilling for fossil fuels!

What are you talking about?

[–] sheepy@lemm.ee 15 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Basically all of hydrogen production is sourced from fossil fuels.

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[–] Hubi@feddit.org 43 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Does noise really matter that much on a modern battlefield with one surveillance drone every 200 meters?

[–] Eyekaytee@aussie.zone 70 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

the other feature is low to no heat, so these things are like tank drop bears

[–] Hubi@feddit.org 42 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

drop bears

Instance checks out

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[–] Evotech@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago

Pretty chill for the operators at least. Tanks are loud as fuck

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[–] CptEnder@lemmy.world 36 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Holy fuck that's a sexy tank

[–] Joeffect@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

This is what I wish the cyber truck was more like ... Not that I would ever buy a Tesla but this thing is perfect for futuristic... Now make it a car... But also fuck cars

What if it had hydrogen cells instead?

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[–] Empricorn@feddit.nl 20 points 1 week ago (2 children)

It's beautiful and I want one.

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[–] Foni@lemm.ee 18 points 1 week ago (3 children)

If in video standards the decision made by the porn industry is decisive, I believe that in the energies of the future the decision made by the military industry will be the one that prevails.

[–] rbesfe@lemmy.ca 12 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I'll eat my socks if hydrogen powered tanks are actually purchased by any military. Hydrogen will literally never be a viable transportation fuel

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