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Hello users of Hexbear, we wanted to inform you that we are going to be locking the_dunk_tank and dredge_tank communities. We have created two new communities /c/gossip and /c/counterpropaganda to serve a similar but clearly distinct purpose than the dunk/dredge tanks.

Not only is the dunk tank a term that has racist origins, but also many posts there were almost no effort and often times requiring later edits to show how they weren't reactionary, ~~not useful with regard to developing rhetoric and furthering dialectical analysis of that which we dunk upon~~.

To that end, we wish posts of reactionaries to be placed in !counterpropaganda@hexbear.net along with an accompanying explanation (as simple or complex as desired) with the intent of countering the reactionary propaganda in the post body, as of now comments are not subject to the same ~~rhetorical rigor~~ rule.

For the posts ~~that are not "low-hanging fruit'~~ of notable people we ask that you use !gossip@hexbear.net .

These changes are mainly part of a continued effort to remove the racist and misogynistic elements from our community and grow.

Any moderators of the dunk tank or dredge tank that want to be a mod in the new communities let me know.

Any users with questions or comments please use this post, this change was made at the behest of the entire Hexbear mod and admin team. We will be looking for more moderators in an organized volunteer drive shortly, if you wish to submit an application you may send it to me via hexbear or matrix direct messages.

Use this post as a place for discussion to these changes. We will keep things as they are for 2 weeks and then reflect on the feedback, including this post: https://hexbear.net/post/3858346

As a personal addendum I am sorry if ~~the closing of the tanks~~ these changes removes a beloved space on the site and if you want to suggest a community to replace them you may do so at !commrequest@hexbear.net or submit a mod application to take a more active role in shaping the site.

Sitewide or community changes come from proposals put forth from the mod team, discussed, and voted on by the mod team.

Any users wanting to suggest a community to replace the tanks, may do so at !commrequest@hexbear.net current discussion is here https://hexbear.net/post/3858346 or submit a mod application to take a more active role in shaping the site.

You may also consider using !shitreactionariessay@lemmygrad.ml as a substitute for dunk/dredge tank posts as well

The mod statement can be found here: https://hexbear.net/comment/5613033

ApplicationWhat is your Hexbear username? Do you have any preferred pronouns? What are your thoughts on capitalism? What are your thoughts on imperialism? What are your thoughts on trans rights? What are your thoughts on racial justice? What do think about current and previous protests around the world? What are your thoughts on Veganism and Animal Liberation? Do you have any experience with other leftist online communities? What did those experiences teach you? What is your approach to moderation, and how do you work with teams? How do you deal with online drama and people who try to start things for the sake of it? What current comms would you be interested in moderating? Do you have any ideas for community engagement? What is your general time availability? (Time zone, amounts, common browsing times, etc)

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[–] MaoTheLawn@hexbear.net 27 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

I like the idea but I think the names are confusing

gossip I think is unclear and has weird connotations

what about 'the bear pit'

shitreactionariessay does the trick to be fair

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[–] Luna@hexbear.net 27 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I said I liked it, but many people who have been here longer than I made good points (there were good reasons for some of the changes though). I'm pulling a centrism on this, I rarely interacted with the tanks anyway why should I have any sort of say?

[–] PaX@hexbear.net 26 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I have mixed feelings on this :/

Renaming is good but removing the tanks will probably just result in people posting the same content in /c/main or /c/chapotraphouse before it gets removed a few hrs later, depending on how hard the suppression of "dunking" is (I would say it should be total if we're gonna do this)

The irony poisoning and occasional showing-of-brainworms has upset me before but I also have enjoyed a lot of tank-posting and learned a lot just from people ambiently coming together to shit on something as a community (and ofc I have participated sometimes) and if it ever got too much for me I could just block them for a while but idk........ maybe a less debatey bear site is worth a try

But I also think just removing the comms won't make people effortpost or whatever more lol, this is effectively a return to rule-8-dunk-tank with no dredge tank (we already had effortpost, and people cross-posted from the tanks to that if they had a rigorous takedown of some talking point)

Also sending these posts to /c/shitreactionariessay@lemmygrad.ml is a rly bad idea, all it does is move the same dunking to a slightly more inaccessable space but more than that, we shouldn't export our garbage to Lemmygrad hehehe (unless they want it lol)

[–] DeathToBritain@hexbear.net 26 points 2 months ago

we crossed 1k posts! in 36 hours, good pace

[–] FortifiedAttack@hexbear.net 26 points 2 months ago (13 children)

Welp, these are the early signs of the same downwards spiral that I've seen in many of my past communities beforehand.

Good luck Hexbear.

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[–] kleeon@hexbear.net 26 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

For me the most annoying thing about dunk tank were these sectarian posts where someone is clearly using the comm to crowdsource reasons to disagree with other leftist who made them mad. If you think this random anarchist criticising china is wrong, you should try and explain why you think they're wrong youself instead of expecting your echo-chamber to explain it for you

I know it's not 100% related to the post, but this has been pissing me off for a while now and I just wanted to say something about it

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