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Ryan Grim column

article by Krystal Kyle & Friends
Nov 06, 2024

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[–] MMNT@lemmy.world 82 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Bernie is seen as a threat to wealthy democrats and their business interests.

[–] Madrigal@lemmy.world 39 points 1 week ago

We knew this in 2016 too.

He wouldn’t win because the rich cunts who actually run the US wouldn’t want that.

[–] SquirtleHermit@lemmy.world 24 points 1 week ago (1 children)

He was literally the runner up in the Democrats last primary, he has a massively passionate following, and was one of the most pro Palestine candidates available. It's kinda crazy how the idea wasn't even floated.

[–] BossDj@lemm.ee 12 points 1 week ago

This is why there was no primary

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 16 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Yes he would have.

The only problem is he didn't.

If you want to put it down to DNC hamstringing him, ok but primary after primary he didn't win.

I wish he had.

[–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 6 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

In 2016 he surely did. That's when the superdelegates were out in full force.

In 2020 it was a much more concentrated backstage effort to hamstring his candidacy, from when they cheated the coin flip between he and Pete, orchestrated an embarrassing debate episode with CNN, and handed out favors to the more popular candidates to drop out and endorse Biden, who was never higher than 5th in popularity, only barely ahead of Mike Bloomberg.

The Dems played dirty. They were sued in court for it and argued that it was their right, publicly.

So, I don't think it's factual to pretend they ever won fair and square.

The irony is that Sanders speaks so eloquently to workers and the poor, and he had widespread support among men, something the Dems have been losing to their detriment since 2008.

[–] curiousaur@reddthat.com 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

What primary after primary?

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Not in 2024 because he didn't run, but in 2020 when he did.

He won Iowa, but on Super Tuesday he lost all but North Dakota.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernie_Sanders_2020_presidential_campaign

[–] curiousaur@reddthat.com 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

So when was the other one?

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago

State primaries. there's like, I dunno 40 of 'em or something.

[–] morphballganon@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago (1 children)

A ticket could have won with Bernie...

... as VP.

[–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Based on how they sidelined waltz I doubt Bernie as vp would have helped

[–] njm1314@lemmy.world 5 points 6 days ago

Seriously we don't talk enough about this. I was so excited when Waltz was nominated as the VP. That's what got me first interested in that campaign. However you're absolutely right they started sideline him almost immediately. It was shocking to see in real time. Such a strong start and then they just put him in a corner.

[–] morphballganon@lemmy.world 0 points 6 days ago

I never said anything about keeping Kamala or the same advisors.

[–] Iheartcheese@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] Wilzax@lemmy.world 23 points 1 week ago (4 children)

We definitely deserve Bernie. The rest of the world is run by Bernies. We deserve better. We all only get about 100 years on this rock, often less. We don't deserve to put up with the slop we've been forced to pick between for the past 50 years.

[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago

The rest of the world ... is not.

Most of it is run by murderers and sometimes thieves. Actually non-murderous thieves are a good thing. One of the least evil variants.

[–] lulztard@sh.itjust.works 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

You want a Bernie, stop couping and destabilising first.

[–] Wilzax@lemmy.world 4 points 6 days ago (1 children)

That's not the half of the country that wants Bernie, though. That's the half that's fallen victim to propaganda telling them that Bernie would be bad for them.

[–] lulztard@sh.itjust.works -2 points 6 days ago

Yes. Freeing yourself from your fantasy that they hate you because they ain't you and accepting the fact that they hate you because your nation is a terrorist shithole and your population doesn't have to be afraid that they get fucking murdered if they were to protest against it, this would be step 1.

Bernie comes along the line. Just stop couping and destabilizing first.

[–] coyootje@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

A lot of the rest of the world has either been voting their Bernies away or is in the process to do so. Right wing populism is taking over many other countries as well, just look at Europe. Almost all countries here have either right wing governments or are drifting towards it at the moment.

[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago

It's not right wing populism. It's the political field slowly and steadily cleaned of anybody inconvenient, and mass media slowly eroded. People who come to power because of this love to play right wing populism because they liked it when they were voters. But most of their voter base are not right wing populists, they just have 2 (sometimes 3) bad choices of which the predictable one always wins.

The fact that we keep voting for this slop is why we don't deserve someone as great as Bernie is, and yet he's the man we need

[–] cuerdo@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

Deep Covert Social Media Propagabda Won.

They managed to make president the most heinous person in history.

I love Bernie, but he would not have stood a chance.

[–] AtHeartEngineer@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Dropsite? Do we have breaking points fans here too??? My fucking people!

[–] pete_link@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

What did you think about the article itself? Did you read it?

[–] AtHeartEngineer@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I read it after posting that ya haha. Makes sense it was Ryan and Krystal. She made a lot of good points. I think the DNC really fucked up by not giving Bernie a shot

[–] pete_link@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 week ago