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submitted 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) by MatBC@lemmygrad.ml to c/leftistunix@lemmygrad.ml

So I saw on this post the upsetting information that fedora is blocked on cuba, and I Wanted to check if the same was true of the downstream distributions, in particular open SUSE tumbleweed, as well.

Edit: By what it seems they put it there more as a way to reduce liability(once the us trade embargoes seem to include most anything with US developed technology, although I do not understand that very well or if it does apply to open source stuff), in case the US comes a looking, because it does not describe any tools or measures to prevent it, in fact it even states that it is not geoblocked anywhere.

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[-] Imnecomrade@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

I commented about SUSE having a similar export policy as Fedora in that post, and from what I read, it applies to OpenSUSE, too.

I found this forum post about this topic:

https://forums.opensuse.org/t/opensuse-and-the-ear-export-administration-regulations-how-are-we-to-understand-this/132309

[-] ShiningWing@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

OpenSUSE is not downstream of Fedora, however SUSE has the same thing in their terms of use

I'm gonna keep using Fedora anyway, there's nothing else quite like Fedora Kinoite

[-] MatBC@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

By what it seems they put it there more as a way to reduce liability, in case the US comes a looking, because it does not describe any tools or measures to prevent it, in fact it even states that it is not geoblocked anywhere

PS: forgive my ignorance, I thought that any fedora based distro, would be considered downstream of Fedora if that's not the case what would be the actual definition of downstream? Honestly asking here, just wanna understand better

[-] ShiningWing@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 8 months ago

That's the thing though, SUSE distros aren't Fedora-based, they're entirely separate distros, they just share the RPM package management system

[-] MatBC@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 8 months ago

Holy cow, I really thought it was, that's pretty cool actually

[-] kariboka@bolha.forum 2 points 8 months ago

I mean, I honestly don't see a point for using fedora or suse with all the other distros we already have.

I use Garuda in my gaming machine, manjaro in my work laptop. And have a usb drive with puppy, mint, debian, tails and kali.

[-] MatBC@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 8 months ago

Sure but I do enjoy the idea of rolling release and I don't want to handle the potential conflicts from AUR with native repositories, I also like yast, and I feel a little annoyed with the implication of your comment, unless I'm mistaken, in which case I apologize, it seems that you're implying that my choice of open suse is poorly thought through therefore I should consider changing.

[-] kariboka@bolha.forum 2 points 8 months ago

Sorry if I sound that way to you, english ain't my first language so my sentence composition is poor sometimes.

I don't think suse is a bad choice of system. What I mean is that I think that with all the many choices we have at linux you can do fine with something else that is not tied to a company with some bias against people like us.

Maybe you could use any distro with distro box? are you familiar with this concept?

[-] MatBC@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 8 months ago

Oh I sure I could but I like suse a bit and if it is not true that it blocks distribution I wouldnt reconsider using it, and would still feel alright recommending it when it suits the needs of the person in question, but the lack of an equivalent legal page on suse's site, left me unsure of where to look for that information

[-] itsraining@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Strange, I haven't experienced any conflicts of AUR vs native repos, but I do experience conflicts of native vs external repositories in openSUSE Tumbleweed all the time.

(I'm not judging your choice, just saying my experience is different.)

On topic, I kind of wonder why would SUSE be blocked in Cuba. It's not an American company, after all.

[-] MatBC@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 8 months ago

The commercial blockade of US states that any product with even a small percentage (there is a minimal required number which I don't remember) of anything produced in the US, even if that thing is the technology for building the thing, cannot be traded with Cuba or DRPK and I'm not sure if the Venezuelans one is still up

[-] MatBC@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 8 months ago

On the subject of arch and AUR I managed to get into dependency hell a couple times because of AUR packages and my own inexperience

[-] Henkire@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

No software or Materials from this Website may be downloaded or otherwise exported or re-exported in breach of the export controls of the US Government or the UK Government and, without prejudice to the generality of the foregoing, no software or Materials from this Website may be downloaded or otherwise exported or re-exported: (1) into (or to a national or resident of) Cuba, Iraq, Libya, Sudan, North Korea, Iran, Syria, or any other country to which the United States has embargoed or restricted goods or services; or (2) to anyone on the U.S.

https://www.suse.com/company/legal/terms-of-use/#k This is really disappointing and I like openSUSE. There's no mirror for Cuba.

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