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[–] TronNerd82@lemmy.ml 5 points 10 hours ago

Don't worry, soon enough someone will figure out how to install Gentoo on it, and then you can have a headache every time you compile packages.

[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 4 points 10 hours ago

"I will always remember you... MEMORIES DELETED."

[–] milicent_bystandr@lemm.ee 31 points 1 day ago

How long till Apple photos inserts iPods into the background of your favourite childhood photos?

"Subscribe to premium to (temporarily) remove branding from your family memories!"

[–] illi@lemm.ee 17 points 1 day ago (1 children)

This is a plot point in one Stargate episode. It was a bit less melevolent but still scary

[–] TheKingBee@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I've been meaning to do a rewatch, what episode (a vague description I could look up myself is enough).

[–] illi@lemm.ee 3 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago)

Looked it up for you. It's season 7, episode 5 - Revisions

[–] stinky@redlemmy.com 26 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Lol that's funny! No one would actually do that to another person! We are completely safe because this degree of selfishness does not exist, that's why I can laugh at it!

[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 day ago

Found the implanted.

[–] Allonzee@lemmy.world 134 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

The joke is that something Elon's companies make actually works reliably.

The joke is also that the burning car was a Tesla, and if Elon could, he'd push a patch to copy/paste his face onto any memories of firefighters found in a Neuralink customer's brain

[–] thawed_caveman@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago

I was gonna say Tesla but he actually bought that company, and it doesn't do as well anymore

[–] Shardikprime@lemmy.world 18 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

I think you people are vastly overestimating how much we actually know about the brain or severely underestimating how freaking complex it is.

The "you" reading this right now, is a fucking stack of six A4 sized sheets, each one nanometers thick, and crumpled into something which, by all appearances, looks to an external observer as an oversized walnut seed, cooled and maintained by a network of 400 miles capillaries, and isolated from the world by the blood brain barrier, which can only be described as a fucking miracle.

No. No one is going to be implanting any memories soon

[–] infinite_ass@leminal.space 2 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

Maybe memories are actually really simple. Like the words on a screen. An arrangement of symbols, then a boatload of meaning and interpretation and rationalization. So all you need to do to make memories is to insert a few words. The brain's "memory interpreter" does the rest of the work.

For example, we insert the words "brother appears". Then, for the "new memory", we reference your memories of your brother. His appearance and the sound of his voice. Then we contrive a narrative explaining why "brother" is at this place and time. Etc. Voila! You now have a memory of your brother standing there saying some stuff.

So to make a memory, it wouldn't require a grand delicate manipulation of brainstuff. Just a simple thing.

[–] stinky@redlemmy.com 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

AI is better at recognizing patterns than we are. The brain may be unfathomable to us, but technology already exists which could recognize the signals in your brain that represent memories and reproduce or alter them.

Neuralink and similar devices are being used right now, today, to record the thoughts of animals. The first neuralink patient is alive and well, meaning it's already being used on humans.

Do you really think this technology won't exist in our lifetime?

[–] roguetrick@lemmy.world 8 points 21 hours ago (3 children)

Do you really think this technology won’t exist in our lifetime?

Yes, absolutely. What you're describing is AGI. If an AI could untangle engrams from branched clusters of extremely plastic neurons, it could understand and improve it's own thinking. It would actually be self aware before it could untangle the mess that our brains are. And I don't see AGI happening with our current material and resource constraints before I die. Seeing brain regions being active and de-novo engram implantation is about as close as an LLM is to AGI.

[–] Shardikprime@lemmy.world 5 points 20 hours ago

It is as you say, the scale doesn't even exist at this point

Even the recent fly brain mapping, enhanced with AI, had to take a destructive approach to map a half a milligram brain and these people are thinking matrix reloaded already

[–] stinky@redlemmy.com -1 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Respectfully, this sounds like opinion and doubt rather than a credibly timeline. Other than rattling off industry terms the only support you've given your argument is "I don't see AGI happening". You've collected an impressive shopping basket of buzz words but done little to dissuade me or the engineers developing this technology that it won't be ready within a lifetime. Stay tuned.

Oh, and "its own thinking" not "it's own thinking". His, hers, its.

[–] roguetrick@lemmy.world 3 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Your extrapolation has about as much support. I don't really know what bothers you about the vocabulary I used but I can say I don't play much attention to punctuation marks when inputting text with a swipe keyboard on my phone.

[–] stinky@redlemmy.com -1 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

"pay much attention" not "play". I'd be more careful with that keyboard if I were you. Wouldn't want to lose any credibility.

[–] roguetrick@lemmy.world 2 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

I thought I made it clear enough I didn't give a shit.

[–] stinky@redlemmy.com -1 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

But you expect us to care about your opinion? Be correct and be nice or you won't get to finish the discussion. It's like a recipe, you have to do the work to get the product.

[–] roguetrick@lemmy.world 3 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

If you primarily engage in typos versus ideas I don't particularly consider you worth discussing anything with anyway.

[–] stinky@redlemmy.com -1 points 11 hours ago

It's been fun.

[–] Naz@sh.itjust.works 0 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Being 70-80 years old sucks. My condolences. We'll mess around with AGI when you're gone and I'll think about you

[–] Shardikprime@lemmy.world 1 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Haha bro thinks the AGI will not be messing around with him LMAO 🤣

[–] QueenHawlSera@lemmy.world 56 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I'd be on board with Neuralink.... if Musk wasn't behind it.

Think I"ll wait for an open source brain chip

[–] Yondoza@sh.itjust.works 54 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It is a really interesting, very scary technology that requires a solid institutional foundation to provide trust. Musk degrades trust, he doesn't build it.

[–] Zementid@feddit.nl 22 points 1 day ago (2 children)

His maga fanboys would ram a rusty nail into their skull if he tells them it's the hot new shit.

[–] HowManyNimons@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

Say that louder so he can hear.

[–] ZoopZeZoop@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

Sounds like he doesn't need to give them neuralink, then.

[–] marcos@lemmy.world 33 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I'm not sure I'd even trust a fully local open source one.

The issues about trusting hardware and software development tools all lead to problems here.

[–] jaggedrobotpubes@lemmy.world 16 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Yeah if a bug or a hardware failure can make me see nightmare spiders everywhere or send a signal to my pain centers, that's a permanent no.

[–] Pips@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 1 day ago

Yeah, basically IRL plot of Snow Crash.

[–] ME5SENGER_24@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

Companies are constantly being called out for selling user data, imagine the shit that will come out if this shit goes mainstream. Then multiple that but all the stories about a Tesla going rogue and you pretty much end up with the worst possible idea ever.

[–] GBU_28@lemm.ee 32 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Actual augments like this will never work if they phone home to do their job. There could be massive benefits to people with a huge variety of conditions and interests, but if it's corpo ware and isn't hyper protected by medical review, and long term support, it's junk

[–] ramble81@lemm.ee 26 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Just play Deus Ex to see the potential ramifications. That and I know things go to the lowest bidder and I know what developers are like….

[–] samus12345@lemmy.world 17 points 1 day ago (1 children)

One of many futuristic "dystopias" that actually ended up being far too optimistic compared to reality.

"This plague...the rioting is intensifying to the point where we may not be able to contain it."

"Why contain it? Let it spill over the schools and churches, let the bodies pile up in the streets. In the end they'll beg us to save them."

Reality: "In the end they'll refuse to be vaccinated anyway."

[–] Klear@lemmy.world 15 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Saw an interview with Warren Spector where he said if he was making Deus Ex today, it would be completely different, since the game they made back then would look like a documentary.

[–] samus12345@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Cyberpunk dystopias are depressing because we have all of the bad stuff (corporations running everything) and none of the cool stuff (cybernetic augments).

[–] BoobaAwooga@lemmynsfw.com 18 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Okay so for anyone who’s played outer worlds I could see this sort of plot being central to outer worlds 2

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