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I'm just sick of Reddit.

The communities there seem much more active than the once on lemmy, which is not a surprise.

However, I oftentimes find myself doom scrolling through reddit, just because of some nonsense BS propaganda, ads, etc .., snuck inbetween of the community posts I'm actually interested in.

How can we convince the people over there to move away?

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[–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 19 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Most people don't change unless they have to, and rarely even then. You'd have to make it so that they can't visit Reddit anymore.

Even on reddit itself, you can't get people to move from a sick community with hostile moderation to the preferred community. /r/Canada got taken over by /r/metacanada what feels like decades ago, and they turned it into a post modern bigoted classist hellhole, but it still ranks far above the "real" Canadian sub /r/OnGaurdForThee.

Maybe better not to compete with existing communities. Develop some anchor communities on Lemmy that are doing their own thing on topics that aren't well served on Reddit.

[–] PeriodicallyPedantic@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

We already have the same problem here. Some of our major communities have belligerent mods on problematic instances.

We're not solving that problem, we're just making it easier to hide from it via defederation.

[–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 day ago

Of course we do. That's my point. It's not a Reddit problem, it's a human problem.

[–] Nangt3c@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Why? So moderators can come here and ban you from their communities if you don't agree with their biased bullshit and politics? No thank you

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[–] SomeGuy69@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago

Where does the believe even originate from, that Redditors are any different than Lemmings? Basically the same people minus the youngest, because they stick with using Reddit. They might or might not migrate eventually.

Make communities here bigger by contributing and spread the word of Reddit alternative. Make search engines find Lemmy content and then it goes on it's own. I guess Bluesky will push the Fediverse, but I wonder how long people will stick to a Twitter esque when they could have Lemmy full text conversations and tree structures?

[–] myopic_menace@reddthat.com 16 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Post in communities that align with your interests. Post in communities for your geographic area, if you're comfortable with that. Comment on posts you see, if you think you can add something of value to the conversation.

[–] ad_on_is@lemm.ee 2 points 1 day ago (2 children)

That is what I already do. But I feel like there isn't much going on. Tbh, I'm more of a passive than active participant. Never been a "karma whore".

I mostly scroll through the feed and chime into topics where I feel I can contribute to.

[–] scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech 8 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Gonna have to change that. There's no such thing as karma here so there's no whoring. Be the change you want to be. I was the only poster in many communities before they started taking off. Lemmy follows the 90-9-1 rule, and you have to be the 1

[–] Blaze@feddit.org 4 points 1 day ago

Lemmy follows the 90-9-1 rule, and you have to be the 1

Well put

[–] can@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago

I mostly scroll through the feed and chime into topics where I feel I can contribute to.

That's good too but maybe consider lowering your bar on what it takes to "contribute".

I have left many simple comments that have led to someone chiming in with something insightful that they may not have commented otherwise

[–] iAmTheTot@sh.itjust.works 14 points 1 day ago

Stop using Reddit.

[–] Mickey7@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

One suggestion to increase participation on Lemmy of those already here is to encourage people to spend some time just looking at the "all new posts" feed. I look at it a few times per day and was surprised at the number of Lemmy groups that I never knew existed. There are far to many groups here that started out good and just faded away. If it's an interest of yours post there and try to rejuvenate the group. Message the existing moderator if you can be added as a mod for that group.

[–] m_f@midwest.social 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Send interesting Lemmy links to people you know. That's how they get interested, and check it out. You won't convince many people by extolling the benefits of the Fediverse, you just have to show them that they'll be entertained, and maybe they'll be somewhat more likely to switch if they know it won't enshittify. I'd say you should send links from instances that don't federate with some of the weirder places like Hexbear though, that's likely to turn people off until they realize how the Fediverse works.

One thing that we could use more of that draws people in is posts about relationship issues. Entertaining for almost everyone, and pretty much anyone can create them from their own experience.

[–] n3cr0@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Ask and answer their popular questions again in here. Also, a popular search engine should list the thread on Lemmy.

[–] PeriodicallyPedantic@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Lots of edgelords here like "I don't want the reddit plebs here" as though they weren't happily one of them a couple years ago.

Let them come over. Put the idea of federation to the test. Isn't that one of the major features of federation, if there are a bunch of shitty people you can just defederate or use a different community?
If federation does what it claims then it'll only be an improvement.

I agree with people saying not to force people here if they don't wanna be (not that we could), but the people saying that folks still on reddit are there because they inherently prefer the reddit application UX is crazy. They prefer the content in reddit. And they have a point.

Folks here are way more insufferable than reddit. Just the other day there was a post being like "why do reddit users hate Lemmy?" And linked a reddit post about it. But the comments on the reddit post were considered, nuanced, and polite; while the comments on the Lemmy post were a bunch of neckbeards crying about how terrible reddit users are.

TLDR y'all need to look in the mirror.

Edit: typo degenerate → defederate

[–] Subtracty@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

I don't want the masses from Reddit to migrate to Lemmy. I want people currently on Lemmy to post and comment. More engagement is what we need. No one is going to move to Lemmy if they see the top posts are hours old with only 100 upvotes and no comments.

If they didn't leave Reddit by now, they like the new Reddit experience.

[–] _haha_oh_wow_@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Don't bother, just make your own communities or magazines and contribute to them regularly.

"If you build it, they will come."

You can tell people about it if you like (especially if it comes up casually in conversation), but if you try to push it too hard you'll drive people away.

If the fediverse grows too quickly, it will also introduce more problems existing systems may not be able to handle.

[–] Auster@thebrainbin.org 3 points 1 day ago

Something I've been thinking about is that changes only happen organically, so I think it's good to not be an insistent advocate for a platform X, Y or Z. Instead, I think that perhaps it's better, instead, to simply use the platform the person is more favorable towards whenever possible, and if people then share something worth sharing, it should slowly bring people over. And regarding the annoying part, at most, making a note about technicalities and the type of people in the site could be good if discussions the person is engaged in allows, and if the person didn't burn people's patience by being pedantic.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Engage with communities here. The politics and tech communities are lively enough, but niche communities are lacking. Give people a reason to come here who aren't politics/tech junkies.

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be the change you want to see. offer alternatives to subs pissed about over moderation, ads and bot activity. some instances still let you create your own communities, like mine https://moist.catsweat.com/

[–] pigeonholedpoetry@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

There needs to be less one sided group think, but I’m not sure that’s even possible anymore at this point. Just look at the US and how they voted this year. None of those voters want to be on this super woke platform. The population on here are the minority and just need to get used to it.

[–] btaf45@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)
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[–] LennethAegis@fedia.io 0 points 1 day ago (5 children)

I think how fragmented lemmy is hurts it. I enjoy Mastodon more, because it doesn't matter what server a person uses, you have but a single feed of all the people you follow.

But here on lemmy, every server has its own communities and might even be having the same conversations apart from each other. While reddit is a giant single space for each conversation.

If there was a way to unite feeds so that, for example, /c/gaming gave you posts from every community /c/gaming you are subscribed to or federated with (or /m/gaming for us mbin folks). I think we could really see a proper exodus from reddit as it becomes proper alternative.

and of course, the classic lemmy experience would remain for those that don't want to do that. Much like old.reddit remained strong in the face of the site remake.

EDIT: Maybe what we need instead is multi-reddits. Custom made aggregate feeds made by the user, so you have full control over your aggregated feed. And they don't need to have the same names in that case.

[–] ad_on_is@lemm.ee 8 points 1 day ago (2 children)

That fragmentation annoyed me too at the beginning, until somenoe tokd me something along the lines.

"It's like different reddit subs with each hsving their own mods and rules"...

So /c/gaming on instance A, and /c/gaming on instance B, would be like /r/gaming and /r/gamingfornoobs.

[–] LennethAegis@fedia.io 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

That's a good point. By each being its own server with own own rules and mods, my idea would make it harder on mods of the communities if people are not even aware of where they are posting.

[–] can@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Does your interface not show the instance with the community name?

[–] LennethAegis@fedia.io 1 points 1 day ago

I meant that as an extension to my original comment asking for all communities with the same name from different instances to show up in a mixed feed.

[–] can@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago

Ptecisely, that's how I always saw it. Say /r/games and /r/gaming, ostensibly those should have the same content but each had its own culture (or did at one point, who knows now)

[–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 day ago

They are all available on every instance. It's not different than having five communities for the same subject on Reddit. It's worse here right now because so few communities have managed to "clear their orbit" yet, but it will get better.

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