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I'm just sick of Reddit.

The communities there seem much more active than the once on lemmy, which is not a surprise.

However, I oftentimes find myself doom scrolling through reddit, just because of some nonsense BS propaganda, ads, etc .., snuck inbetween of the community posts I'm actually interested in.

How can we convince the people over there to move away?

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[–] blind3rdeye@lemm.ee 2 points 1 hour ago

Just mention lemmy from time to time on other platforms; not to say "please come here", but rather just to let people know that lemmy exists and has interesting stuff on it. People will check it out if they are interested.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 hours ago

Please don't. I like not dealing with redditeurs.

[–] GhiLA@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 hours ago

Why bother?

Reddit isn't Lemmy. Lemmy is Lemmy.

Enjoy who's here. Hi. I'm GhiLA.

[–] PagingDoctorLove@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

I'm honestly not sure I want the majority of reddit users coming to lemmy. Especially as a woman. There's just so much more nastiness on reddit. I get that sometimes the content on Lemmy slows down or gets stale, but that seems like a reasonable price to pay to avoid people with chronic interpersonal problems and no healthy emotional outlet. I think every exchange I've had on Lemmy has at least been respectful and I can't recall ever feeling that way on reddit.

[–] Randomgal@lemmy.ca 14 points 10 hours ago

You can't be that sick of it if you want even let go of the place.

[–] bokherif@lemmy.world 2 points 7 hours ago

Most of them are bots anyway and I really wouldn't want "everyone" to find out about and use lemmy because that would be the downfall of lemmy.

[–] rozodru@lemmy.world 7 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

can't. the ones that are still there wouldn't understand how to use lemmy and the fediverse and they'll just bash for the same reasons that bsky users bash mastodon. They want things to "just work" out of the box and are too lazy to figure things out.

[–] ProtonFiber@lemmy.zip 1 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

Not really the problem, some mods just bury threads about it, you can see an arrogant mod from self-host subreddit in a thread, attempt to plead to move elsewhere: https://www.reddit.com/r/selfhosted/comments/1gmv76n/is_reddit_going_to_remain_the_primary_space_for/ (this was a week ago) You can see why some still didn't by the replies, and lack of understanding how to use Lemmy isn't one of them.

[–] SynopsisTantilize@lemm.ee 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Lol it's porn.

Not anything else. Provide the better covert porn outlet.

[–] WanderingVentra@lemm.ee 13 points 1 day ago (2 children)

There's porn on here. Lemmynsfw.com is actually the second most populous instance irrc (or top 3?). Just got to convince people to post to it. But then we got the same problem of trying to convince people to do that lol.

[–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 2 points 18 hours ago

Don't you need an account to access it?

[–] SynopsisTantilize@lemm.ee 2 points 18 hours ago

What about porn bots?

[–] ericjmorey@discuss.online 14 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Lemmy needs to mature on a technical basis. The Lemmy service itself is still lacking significantly. But it it progressing.

Outside of technical limitations, focus on communities. A few good ones are better than many mediocre ones.

[–] WanderingVentra@lemm.ee 2 points 1 day ago (2 children)

What technical limitations do you see? I feel like other than multireddits this place is basically equal to reddit.

[–] Blaze@feddit.org 4 points 19 hours ago

Multi communities.

Hopefully this has been funded, so should happen soon

[–] ericjmorey@discuss.online 6 points 1 day ago

Just about anything related to moderation tools.
Dealing with the All feed properly.
Users being able to configure default sorting on posts.
etc.

[–] FrostyTrichs@walledgarden.xyz 106 points 1 day ago (18 children)

I'm just sick of Reddit.

How can we convince the people over there to move away?

I see things like this all the time on the fediverse. There's this sentiment that reddit sucks and it's nothing but bots and shithousery, but for some people they still want that crowd to migrate here.

I think Lemmy needs to let go of the idea of the "good" parts of reddit transferring here and everyone miraculously behaving differently, because it just isn't going to happen. The people left on reddit are there because that's the experience they want. Trying to import them en masse to Lemmy again is just going to bring more irritation and frustration IMO.

I think Lemmy would be better served working to improve and develop the communities they already have through users that are already here. Find ways to make your interests appealing to others. Be active in ways and places you usually wouldn't, and Lemmy will grow up around us organically. None of these social media giants have anything of substance to offer their huge user bases besides the niche communities you guys are missing, and that's why people spend so much time doomscrolling.

What we are missing is that someone on Reddit took the time to get these communities going too. Reddit wasn't an instant success, it took the efforts of the early membership to drive engagement and user growth. Lemmy is obsessed with the idea of short cutting this step to steal members from other networks, and that's silly.

No one is going to leave a well designed botnet social media for a black hole called the fediverse. In order to gain more meaningful membership we must first prove that Lemmy is worth overcoming the barriers to enter and engage with the people that are already here. Once the rest of the internet finds out we're cool, they'll show up.

[–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 44 points 1 day ago

"Reddit is awful. How do we move that here?"

[–] ApollosArrow@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

I see this a lot too and to me it mimics the 7 stages of grief. It sounds like he just passed anger and is at bargaining.

I think if most of the reddit transplants (myself a transplant) can’t arrive at acceptance, they end up going back.

[–] fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com 25 points 1 day ago (2 children)

We simply don't need Reddit users. We need Lemmy users who desire to start communities. Lemmy is Reddit 10 years ago, and that's just fine.

[–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 20 points 1 day ago

Lemmy is Reddit 10 years ago

I mean it's not THAT good, but it's sure better than Reddit today.

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[–] can@sh.itjust.works 47 points 1 day ago (2 children)

We don't. We just continue to stay here and grow and flourish naturally. I see no need to rush.

[–] agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 1 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

It can be frustrating to go from a thriving niche subreddit to a new venue without anyone to populate those niche communities. Outside of ML, FOSS, and Star Trek, most of the niche communities are ghost towns.

I don't think anyone is suggesting convincing AskReddit or /r/memes to migrate. I think they're mostly targeting /r/ObscureInterestYou'veProbablyNeverHeardOf.

[–] Thetimefarm@lemm.ee 8 points 1 day ago

Yup, I say it in every thread of this sort I see pop up, you definitionally can't force organic engagement.

[–] matcha_addict@lemy.lol 5 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Which communities? I personally find most of my favorite communities to be better in lemmy than on Reddit, with a few exceptions.

[–] PriorityMotif@lemmy.world 1 points 10 hours ago

Buildapcsales gamedeals boardgamedeals etc. it was nice when they still have Api access because you could track prices.

[–] Kichae@lemmy.ca 1 points 19 hours ago

Anything niche by computer geek standards So, like, anything from normie interests to things that are so niche that you need 30 million MAU to have an active space.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Well there are some video game ones.

[–] WanderingVentra@lemm.ee 5 points 1 day ago

Ya I just got to reddit for specific video game ones now basically. Or specific TV shows.

[–] Wistful@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 1 day ago

They allegedly remove posts/comments about lemmy? And even if they don't, I feel like it could have the opposite effect. People would see those posts just like ads/promotion/spam. Which would give lemmy a bad rep. Unless something big happens, like some big community switching to lemmy, or someone with a big following promotes lemmy, it will hardly see a big spike in user count.

The only way is to passively "advertise" it. Maybe add the link to your lemmy account in your reddits about you section, if you are making OC add your lemmy handle there as well...

And the last way, which is most likely the best way to do it, is to post good content on lemmy, keep communities alive. And people will eventually join.

[–] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 25 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Advertise one instance instead of just saying "join lemmy"

[–] OpenStars@piefed.social 0 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (1 children)

Blaze is doing precisely that - recommending lemm.ee, several initial communities to check out, the Voyager app, etc.

Edit: A major downside to recommending lemm.ee though is that it federates with literally all of the big 3. So someone can walk into e.g. chapotraphouse@hexbear.net without knowing the first thing about what to expect there, followed promptly by leaving Lemmy altogether. Due to lemm.ee's approach of making everything "opt-out" rather than "opt-in" it takes quite a bit of catching up to understand things e.g. what "instances" are and how to block users from them (Pro-Tip: in either base Lemmy or Voyager, you literally cannot do it, though PieFed, Sync, or Connect each offer that capability). It's a bit like having an email account that offers no spam filtering!? Which is fine if that's what people want but doesn't seem geared for "mainstream" Redditors who want to come here "casually".

For those, if PieFed was a bit better developed in its UI it would be perfect. Lemmy.cafe also looks like a great option (Tesseract on dubvee.org too except I think it's only a single admin, and yet quite impressive nonetheless, though toxic people from Reddit would have a terrible & short-lived time there hehe:-P).

[–] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 1 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

A ban from dubvee is a lemmy participation medal

[–] OpenStars@piefed.social 1 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

I've heard that some people don't like him but nobody will tell me why, as in did he do something intentionally, accidentally, or otherwise? Can you send me something to read? (Always whenever I ask, I get no reply - but I'm interested in learning so that I don't spread misinformation?)

[–] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 1 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

I and many others never heard of the instance until we got banned from it 🤣

[–] OpenStars@piefed.social 1 points 12 hours ago

Oh wow. Can you send me a screenshot? What I'm getting at: is there any possibility that it could have been unintentional?

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[–] Nangt3c@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Why? So moderators can come here and ban you from their communities if you don't agree with their biased bullshit and politics? No thank you

[–] btaf45@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Mods can't ban you from their fediverse community. You could just post from another site. It is why fediverse is superior to reddit.

[–] Blaze@feddit.org 1 points 19 hours ago

That's considered ban evasion by a lot of mods

[–] ad_on_is@lemm.ee 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

There are already some communities with the same tooic, but without much interaction, so I was mainly refering to joining existing ones.

However, even if that happens, one can simply go ahead and create a new community with normal mod behavior.

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