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It's so bad that my fiancée has some bras that say she's a B cup and others that says she's a D cup. In order to go bra shopping, you have to actually try them on to find out if they fit.

If I had to try on underwear to see if they fit, I might not bother with underwear at all!

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[–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 23 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Men's clothing sizes are a little dumb sometimes but I can usually take a tape measure to my waist and correctly order pants. Your guess is as good as mine what the difference between "boot cut" and "relaxed fit" are, and I would swear T-shirt sizes have shrunk since I was a teenager. As in, I can compare a Medium I've had since the Dubya administration to an XL today. But getting fitted for a suit, they measure me in inches and the clothing is more or less sized in inches.

Women's clothing sizes have had two different ice pick lobotomies. Women come in a wider range of sizes and aspect ratios, women's clothing is pretty much universally designed to fit tighter, but on the rack they're given one meaningless size number. a 12 is bigger than a 10, who knows by how much, and there's nothing on the girl you can measure with a tape to get that number, and there is no standard here at all. Why they haven't revolted I have no idea.

[–] Bougie_Birdie@lemmy.blahaj.zone 16 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I would swear T-shirt sizes have shrunk since I was a teenager.

I thought that too, but it turns out I just got fat

[–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I have size M shirts from high school that fit like an L on the rack today.

[–] Reyali@lemm.ee 2 points 1 day ago

It’s been the opposite for women’s clothing in my experience. I’ve had to give up multiple brands as their shirts got too big. Same labeled size, same style, but it’s suddenly 2” wider.

Boot cut is tighter around the hips and thighs, has a slightly flared leg (think bell bottoms but way smaller flare). Relaxed is straight leg, but not so tight as to be skinny jeans. I generally wear boot cut, but my boots are only ankle high so it's not like I need the extra leg room. I just like the way they look on me.

[–] el_bhm@lemm.ee 8 points 1 day ago

There is a whole NPR episode on women sizing and history of sizing in general.

Eye opening how stupid it is

[–] Ridgetop18@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 day ago

Boot cut means a slightly flared leg (think a very very subtle bell bottom) so that they fit over cowboy or work boots easier.

Relaxed fit means it's made a little bigger in the seat and thighs compared to the same size in a regular fit. The lines/silhouette aren't as clean/nice, but it's comfier; which is why it's called relaxed fit.

[–] EngineerGaming@feddit.nl 2 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I don't see how most men would even find that out. Underwear is too intimate of a topic to open up about to the opposite sex.

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[–] TheRealKuni@lemmy.world 29 points 1 day ago (1 children)

There are plenty of brands that follow mostly standard sizing, as I understand it. But popular brands in the US (like Victoria Secret) generally don’t.

I fell down the r/abrathatfits rabbit hole one day, years ago. It’s fascinating.

[–] BruceTwarzen@lemm.ee 17 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I once talked to my girlfriend about bra sizes and how much i don't understand them. Then we both googled bra sizes and how often women wear the wrong size and fit and all. It's a whole science behind it and it's quite interesting. Now, 10 years later i still often think: oh no, she wears a bra that doesn't fit right and probably doesn't even know it.

[–] TheRealKuni@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yup! “Oh, she should probably go down a band size and up a cup size” popped into my head one day and I laughed at the absurdity.

I introduced my wife to the world of proper bra fit, because she’d never known any of it. No one taught her. Made me feel vaguely guilty of mansplaining, but it helped!

[–] Vilian@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I introduced my wife to the world of proper bra fit

How? like, I don't want to mansplain her, but I don't want her desconfortable just because it's using the wrong size

[–] TheRealKuni@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

Not to point to the other site, but r/ABraThatFits is a great place to start. They have guides and stuff. It’s fascinating.

[–] Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world 21 points 1 day ago

The cup size SHOULD be the difference in inches between the circumference below the breast and circumference around the breast.

3" difference would be a C cup

5" would be DD.

Why they double up some letters and not others, I couldn't tell you. 🤷🏻‍♂️

My ex used to sell underwear.

[–] AGreenPurple@lemmynsfw.com 4 points 1 day ago

When going for brands, like Lounge Underwear or even more expensive ones like Marlies Dekkers, Aubade or Lise Charmel (instead of cheap imports from China) there's almost never a problem with the size. There have been maybe 2 or 3 bras (cheap ones) that did not fit in the last twelve years and everything else has the same size and fits her.

[–] Tedesche@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

Around 19, I’d say. 42 now.

[–] Coreidan@lemmy.world 16 points 1 day ago (1 children)

This is the case with all clothing.

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[–] tiredofsametab@fedia.io 5 points 1 day ago

They're definitely defined differently between some countries. Japanese cup sizes are different to US ones

[–] Contramuffin@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Most of the bras that my girlfriend gets fits on her first try, although she does tend to prefer sister sizes over her real size. If your girlfriend is having issues with bras fitting, it might be worthwhile to read up on how bra sizes are actually calculated and do a measurement yourself. Funny enough, most girls don't seem to know how the bra size system works either and they just get their sizes through trial and error, which seems like what has happened here.

The letter by itself is fundamentally meaningless. A 32D is equivalent to a 34B! And most girls severely underestimate their actual size. What would colloquially be called a B or C is actually an E

[–] angrystego@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I don't think you know how the bra size system works. The number is the size measured underneath the breasts. The letter is the cup size determined as a the difference between the measurements across and underneath the breasts.

Therefore no way is 32D equivalent to 34B. Or at least it shouldn't be equivalent, but manufacturers don't respect the standard, so the equivalence is not impossible in some cases. It's really super inconsistent.

Also breasts can have different shapes and can be placed closer or further appart, which makes finding a fitting bra very hard for some people.

[–] Contramuffin@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

32 + 4 = 36

34 + 2 = 36

Am I missing something? Barring some extremely stupid math error, I don't see how I'm incorrect

[–] Reyali@lemm.ee 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You’re close! Both a 34B and a 32D would have the same measurement around their bust, but the bust size alone can’t be used to determine bra size. The rule is to increase band size by 1 increment (which is 2”) and reduce cup size by 1 increment (the letter) to maintain the same volume.

The volume of a 32D is the same as a 34C.

[–] angrystego@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

Exactly, bust size is very nice, but it doesn't speak about the torso shape. And shape is what determines, whether a bra fits.

[–] angrystego@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

You can add numbers correctly, but why the hell would you do that?

Adding cup size to band size is a bit like buying pants and adding leg size to waist size. One measure cannot compensate for another.

A woman with band size 32 measures 32 inches around her torso underneath her breasts. That's the number she needs, or else the bra is going to be too loose or too tight under the breasts.

A woman with small breasts and large chest cannot buy a bra with tighter band size that she wouldn't be able to put around her chest and compensate with bigger cups. That would mean she would have to leave the bra open in the back and wear it as a strange kind of napkin with huge cups hanging loosely on her small breasts, leaving a large room above them.

The same goes for a woman with large breasts and thin chest. If she bought a bra with bigger band size and compensated with smaller cup size, it would be very loose around her chest and there would be two funny little cups resting on the top of her much larger breasts.

I'm taking it into caricature territory to make it easier to imagine, but even if the differences in size are not that big, it's kind of what it actually feels like for a woman.

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[–] TomMasz@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

It was a long time ago that I realized that women’s clothing sizing was largely fiction. Trying to buy clothing for a girlfriend or (later) my wife based on the tag of something they already owned was an exercise in futility.

[–] noxy@yiffit.net 7 points 1 day ago

I'm gay, so current age I guess

[–] _bcron_@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago

I just learned today since I've never been compelled to look up any sort of conversion chart, but I had a hunch because dress/pants sizes are all over the place. One brand's mostly-honest 12 is another brand's flattering 4, shit like that

[–] DragonsInARoom@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago
[–] Adudethatis@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 day ago

Grade 9- girlfriend at the time was "blessed" so to speak. Learned e women have a much more difficult time finding bras and underwear that "work" than most men do.

[–] rtxn@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I'm both fat and tall. None of my fucking clothes have consistent sizes that fit. I'm not the least bit surprised that the clothing industry's greatest minds were defeated by breasts.

[–] Makeitstop@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago (6 children)

I really want a law that requires clothing sizes to include actual measurements. And it's insane that I would have to specify that these measurements must be accurate, but the clothing industry has made lying about sizes the norm.

There shouldn't be anything preventing me from figuring out women's bra sizes with a tape measure aside from the fact that I don't know them and they probably don't want a stranger obsessively measuring their boobs.

[–] Reyali@lemm.ee 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

OP is wrong. Bra size is the ONLY women’s sizing that is related to specific measurements. It can still take a while to find a comfortable fit based on shapes, but the sizes are standardized across good brands.

Starting point to find the size: Measure the rib cage right under the bust. If even, that’s the number; if odd, round up. Measure the largest size around the bust. Subtract underbust from bust measurements. 1” = A, 2” = B, 3=C, 4=D.

It gets confusing from there in the US because instead of going alphabetically, the US just adds a D for every inch after 4 until some arbitrary letter then goes back to the alphabet. Using UK sizes just follows the alphabet and so is very simple.

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