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TenForward: Where Every Vulcan Knows Your Name

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[–] jmj88@lemm.ee 10 points 2 days ago

Thanks for that review. Seriously, well said.

[–] dejected_warp_core@lemmy.world 21 points 3 days ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (2 children)

My only major critiques for Discovery are that they walked back a Calvin-verse reboot after fan backlash (my interpretation), and that the theatrics usually don't mesh well with the action-oriented flow of the rest of the episodes around it.

The reboot thing was, to me, overly clear with the changes in aesthetics and technology. Especially the Klingons. And I get it: it's hard to dazzle audiences through vibrant creative direction, with decades of canon on your back. All that older stuff has compromises from old effects tech and budget baked in, so breaking from it is incredibly tempting. But the fans will not let you do this: just ask the Dr. Who production people. So we get some really oddball stuff happening in the first few seasons.

To the latter point, we get moments like: "The ship is going to explode in one minute, so let's argue for at least ten before we deal with that." This kind of thing happens a lot in Discovery and a binge-watch would have you thinking that the ship's counselor is either dead or contemplating transporter suicide. The dissent between characters feels valid most of the time, but other times is just jarringly out of character or contrary to self-preservation as to break suspension of disbelief. But there's usually angry, loud, arguing dissent. Which is a shame since these same episodes are hitting the mark on every other metric, IMO.

[–] AngryRobot@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago

Gene had a rule for TNG that conflict should not be between the crew. There are a few exceptions, but it's pretty consistent. I think that limitation made the writers more creative and greatly enhanced the series.

[–] TipRing@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago (1 children)

My response to the first five episodes was very much "It's like the writers are justifying a councilor being on the bridge crew."

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[–] fluxion@lemmy.world 18 points 3 days ago (6 children)

What's the "gay agenda" reference for TNG?

[–] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 20 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

I also don't think the TNG cast is particularly overly-emotional.

Plus TNG didn't retcon Klingon appearance, it had been that way for like 10 years already by that point, from the TOS films.

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[–] Rhaedas@fedia.io 18 points 3 days ago (2 children)

First one that comes to mind is "The Outcast". Not really gay, but for anyone who is triggered by anything different they would consider it "woke".

[–] Stamets@lemmy.world 26 points 3 days ago (4 children)

There's also:

  • The Host which has Crusher dealing with falling in love with a Trill who moves hosts. It can be seen in some very specific ways as a trans allegory and just challenging heteronormative assumptions about love and attraction.

  • The show really pushes a lot of 'Found Family' stuff which ends up being super popular in most LGBTQ+ media because we're disowned by other people. (Data accepted and accepting himself as part of the crew, Worf and Alexander aren't too awesome but Deanna steps up a bit there. You've got Wesley who's kind of adopted by most of the upper ranks after a while.

  • TNG is purely "Infinite Diversity in Infinite Combinations" which people see as gay agenda because they wanna collapse anything pro-diversity as just being LGBTQ+ because they have fragile pathetic minds.

  • Q is aggressively queer coded. The hyper dramatic and flamboyant personality, the penchant for being a theatrical whore, openly flirting with Picard (and Riker) in such a way that you genuinely aren't sure if he's joking or not, he rejects every type of rigid norm from humanity, Voyager and a few other things even hinted in such a way that due to his ability to change form he's above gendered norms too and sort of gender fluid. Not to mention being the campiest motherfucker this side of the Alpha quadrant. "It matters to me. YOU matter to me. Even Gods have favorites, Jean-Luc. You've always been one of mine." There's also his deep fucking loneliness, something that a metric fuckload of people in the community suffer from. Part of a whole but ostracized and on the outside? Yea.

[–] joyjoy@lemm.ee 13 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Q is Queer? I never would've guessed.

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[–] Thebeardedsinglemalt@lemmy.world 17 points 3 days ago (1 children)

retconned Klingons to look super weird

TBF the Klingons were retconned in TMP

[–] marcos@lemmy.world 13 points 3 days ago (2 children)

From now on, every Star Trek show should change the appearance of the Kinglons and the Trill. And also add a new color of Andorians.

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[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The only question I have about Discovery is: do you think Michael Burnham is ever capable of crying?

[–] FantasmaNaCasca@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

She cant. She came back from the future, like a Terminator, and stuffed her past-self glands with tardigrades, so her pre-tears are transported to a micro verse that needs salt water for reasons.

I liked the series. Not my favourite. But I like it.

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[–] HubertManne@moist.catsweat.com 13 points 3 days ago (23 children)

was there even one gay character in TNG?

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[–] Boomkop3@reddthat.com 12 points 3 days ago (2 children)
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