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THE POLICE PROBLEM

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    The police problem is that police are policed by the police. Cops are accountable only to other cops, which is no accountability at all.

    99.9999% of police brutality, corruption, and misconduct is never investigated, never punished, never makes the news, so it's not on this page.

    When cops are caught breaking the law, they're investigated by other cops. Details are kept quiet, the officers' names are withheld from public knowledge, and what info is eventually released is only what police choose to release — often nothing at all.

    When police are fired — which is all too rare — they leave with 'law enforcement experience' and can easily find work in another police department nearby. It's called "Wandering Cops."

    When police testify under oath, they lie so frequently that cops themselves have a joking term for it: "testilying." Yet it's almost unheard of for police to be punished or prosecuted for perjury.

    Cops can and do get away with lawlessness, because cops protect other cops. If they don't, they aren't cops for long.

    The legal doctrine of "qualified immunity" renders police officers invulnerable to lawsuits for almost anything they do. In practice, getting past 'qualified immunity' is so unlikely, it makes headlines when it happens.

    All this is a path to a police state.

    In a free society, police must always be under serious and skeptical public oversight, with non-cops and non-cronies in charge, issuing genuine punishment when warranted.

    Police who break the law must be prosecuted like anyone else, promptly fired if guilty, and barred from ever working in law-enforcement again.

    That's the solution.

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The woman, Talisa Coombs, told Delaney she’d just gotten into what she alleged was a physical altercation with her granddaughter’s mother, Maria Pike, and called 911. Independence police’s response to that 911 call ended with the shooting death of Pike, 34, and her two month old daughter, Destinii Hope — who were identified Tuesday by authorities from the Police Involved Investigative Team, or PIIT, a team of eastern Jackson County detectives called in to investigate police shootings and use-of-force incidents.

The officer who fired his weapon was “a long-tenured veteran of law enforcement,” Dustman said. That officer and another two who were at the scene are on administrative leave.

https://www.kansascity.com/news/local/article295483354.html

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[–] NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world 194 points 2 days ago (6 children)

"On administrative leave", Jesus fucking christ, fire and prosecute those fuck heads. This is well beyond gross negligence.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 133 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Sentencing guidelines should automatically double sentences for law enforcement and government officials, regardless of the crime.

[–] Milk_Sheikh@lemm.ee 57 points 1 day ago
[–] TheReturnOfPEB@reddthat.com 70 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

"Wrongful Death Offender List" should be a thing.

And it should be run by citizens.

I got some hosting space on the NAS. Let’s crowdsource this shit.

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No, no. We'll just give him a paid vacation.

[–] gibmiser@lemmy.world 16 points 2 days ago

For real, let them defend themselves in a court of law.

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[–] MeaanBeaan@lemmy.world 113 points 1 day ago

The officer who fired his weapon was “a long-tenured veteran of law enforcement,” Dustman said.

So who else has he murdered in cold blood?

[–] Chip_Rat@lemmy.world 79 points 1 day ago (2 children)

My dad used to use this technique to settle disputes: "if you are gonna fight over it, neither of you can have it!"

Though I don't recall him ever shooting a baby in the face so maybe these cops need more training.

Or some fucking lead to their own foreheads.

Is that too far? No. No I don't think it is.

[–] Kazumara@discuss.tchncs.de 16 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Sounds like the Solomon method, except they went throught with it.

[–] Iheartcheese@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Solomon method left you with more baby too.

[–] postmateDumbass@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

Spatchcock baby cooks faster and more evenly.

[–] Glifted@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Unfortunately that's the only thing that will make them change their ways

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[–] satanmat@lemmy.world 151 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Greenfield believes police could have used different methods to de-escalate the situation.

No effing shit Sherlock

[–] HornedMeatBeast@lemmy.world 36 points 2 days ago (1 children)

What they mean is, there are other ways of killing people than just shooting them.

[–] PwnTra1n@lemmy.world 24 points 1 day ago (1 children)

they should have tazed the baby instead is what they mean

[–] brbposting@sh.itjust.works 14 points 1 day ago

That’s really dangerous

Best bet is to start with the flash bang in the crib

[–] Volkditty@lemmy.world 28 points 1 day ago

That means next time don't leave witnesses.

[–] bali10050@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago

I tought this was on the onion

[–] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 20 points 1 day ago

Let's have a round of applause for the "good" guy with the gun.

Oh wait, ACAB. Especially this one. Can't wait till we collectively forget about it so the PIIT crew (or whatever they call themselves, I'm not going back) can clean up by sweeping it all under the rug.

[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 134 points 2 days ago (13 children)
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[–] radiohead37@lemmynsfw.com 52 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I hate how much the police worries more about their egos and asserting authority than de-escalation and service to the community. They seem more emotionally unstable than the people they are supposed to help.

If that’s the response from an experienced officer, then there are serious issues with the whole system. There’s a baby on the scene and still their first impulse is to pull the trigger. Fuck them!

[–] baines@lemmy.cafe 27 points 1 day ago (6 children)

this ‘news’ site is trash, fucking constant text disruptive ads

fuck this garbage, 5min and had to re focus text like every 30 seconds

[–] FuCensorship 24 points 1 day ago (4 children)

The Internet nowadays without an ad-blocker is an absolute cancer.

I'm not sure if you're on a PC or mobile but check uBlock Origin for Firefox(PC & mobile) or AdAway for Android on F-droid.

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[–] uis@lemm.ee 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

*Looks at Russian police*

Well, it only breaks legs and beats pregnant. There is a room for worsement.

[–] collapse_already@lemmy.ml 28 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Let me guess: the two month old failed to comply with the officers order to stop crying?

[–] Gort@lemm.ee 5 points 1 day ago

Maybe dribbled the wrong way. Baby spit can be a projectile...

[–] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 23 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Never👏
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[–] LaunchesKayaks@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I am all about not calling the cops, but is there a good alternative for someone to call for situations that need deescalated before people get hurt or worse? I keep getting awful neighbors. Had to call CPS on the first family for extreme negligence and they had their kids taken away the same day I reported them. The last ones were selling drugs, but were mostly quiet with an occasional super loud dispute that would honestly scare me. Didn't know they were selling drugs until their house got raided, though. The new ones are VERY quiet and don't seem interested in even properly introducing themselves, so I'm hoping they're cool, but with the track record of that place... I expect bad times to come. I would love to know what services I could utilize if things escalate to the point where I become fearful of being outside or whatever

[–] positiveWHAT@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I've heard that firefighters are people that actually wants to help, but calling them would also steal from firefighting resources.

[–] LaunchesKayaks@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

My town has an absurd amount of firefighters and first responders. I broke my leg last year and 30 people, both firefighters and paramedics, showed up and poured into my house. It took 3 of them to get my leg stabilized haul me into the ambulance. The rest ended up just standing around in my yard doing nothing lol. When we passed the fire department/ paramedic place, there were like 10 other people hanging around the ambulances and fire trucks in their uniforms just shooting the shit.

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[–] superkret@feddit.org 11 points 1 day ago

I bet the dispute was over afterwards.

[–] RedIce25@lemmy.world 17 points 2 days ago

Lock 'em up

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