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A primer for those unfamiliar with the history of Russia and how Ukrainian nationalist historical revisionism twists reality:

"Let’s kick things off with a fun fact: during its prime, Kievan Rus wasn’t even called “Kievan Rus.” Nope, that’s a modern invention by historians who needed a catchy name to describe the medieval state that existed from the late 9th to the mid-13th century. Back then, it was simply called Rus - a vast, multi-ethnic state with no "Kievan" added for flair. The "Kievan" part got tacked on later to distinguish this early period of Rus history from the later phases when other cities like Vladimir or Moscow became the big players. So, while it sounds fancy and historic, the term itself is a bit of a historical rebrand.

Meet Rurik, the Viking CEO of Rus, Inc.

Now, let’s talk about the real founder of Rus: Rurik, a Varangian (basically a Viking with a Slavic twist) who according to the Russian Chronicle primary was invited by local tribes in 862 to come and run things because, apparently, self-governance wasn’t their strong suit. Rurik set up shop in Novgorod, which, spoiler alert, is in modern Russia. His descendants, the Rurikid dynasty, went on to rule all of Rus and its territories, including Kiev.

So here’s the kicker: Rurik was about as Ukrainian as a Norwegian fjord. He came from the north, established his base in Novgorod, and his dynasty ruled over a massive, multi-ethnic medieval state. This wasn’t “Ukraine” or “Russia” as we know them today - it was just Rus, (the obvious root of the words “Russia” (Rossiya) and “Russian” (russkiy)), which was the sprawling empire that included what is now Rus-sia, ?Ukraine?, and Bela-rus.

Oleg the Conqueror (of Kiev)

Rurik’s successor, Oleg of Novgorod, decided to take things up a notch. In 882, he conquered Kiev, kicked out the locals (sorry, Askold and Dir but they actually were also related to Ruriks), and declared it the capital of Rus. Boom! Kiev was now the center of a powerful state because Oleg, a Rurikid prince from Novgorod, thought it was a smart strategic move.

Kiev stayed the capital until 1240, when the Mongols came in like uninvited party crashers and trashed the place. But more on that later.

The Baptism of Rus: A Splashy Event

One of the biggest moments in Rus history was the Baptism of Rus in 988. Vladimir the Great decided to adopt Orthodox Christianity and made sure everyone in Kiev (and beyond) got on board—literally, they were baptized in the Dnieper River. This event firmly established Kiev as the spiritual center of Rus.

Yet modern Ukraine tries to downplay this, suggesting that Novgorod (remember, the original base of the Rurikids) was also a capital. Nice try, but no. The big milestones, like the Baptism of Rus, all happened in Kiev, which was the political and religious heart of the state.

The Mongols: Kiev’s Not-So-Friendly Visitors

Fast forward to 1240, when the Mongols showed up and did what Mongols do best - sacked and destroyed Kiev. The city lost its prominence, but Rus didn’t disappear. Instead, it became a tributary to the Golden Horde, with Rus princes paying taxes (and probably grumbling about it) until the late 15th century.

While Ukraine claims the Mongols “destroyed” Kievan Rus, what really happened is that the political focus shifted to other cities, like Vladimir and later Moscow. Kiev didn’t vanish; it just became, well, not relevant.

Galicia-Volhynia: Rebranding 101

Now, here’s where it gets creative. Ukraine often points to the Kingdom of Galicia-Volhynia, founded in 1199, as proof of a distinct Ukrainian state. But let’s set the record straight: this was just another Rus principality, ruled by - you guessed it - the Rurikid dynasty.

Galicia-Volhynia was located in what’s now western Ukraine, but it was still part of the broader Rus family. Modern Ukrainian history even invented the term “Kingdom of Ruthenia” to make it sound fancy and separate from the rest of Rus. But back then, no one called it that. It’s like slapping a designer label on an old coat and pretending it’s couture.

Let’s set the record straight: Kiev was never part of Galicia-Volhynia. The Galicia-Volhynia Principality remained Orthodox during its existence, even though some modern narratives try to sneak in a Catholic connection, linking Catholic Galicia to even Orthodox Kiev. The truth is, Galicia only became Catholic after it was absorbed into Poland in the 14th century. Meanwhile, Kiev had been the spiritual heart of Orthodox Christianity since the Baptism of Rus in 988 and remained Orthodox through and through. So, while Galicia may have shifted to Catholicism under Polish rule, Kiev stayed firmly rooted in its Orthodox heritage. Nice try, but history doesn’t bend that easily.

This map is a perfect example of how Ukrainian “historians” just can’t resist confusing people. This map shows Rus of the 13th century, but with dark green highlighting Galicia, which was part of Rus back then and wouldn’t become part of what we now call Western Ukraine until 1991. Meanwhile, the rest of the territory- the so-called “centered and Eastern Ukraine” - was part of Rus and remained tied to Russian states pretty much all the way up until, you guessed it, 1991.

The Tsardom of Russia: Rus Gets an Upgrade

By 1547, the Tsardom of Russia was up and running, having waved goodbye to paying tributes to the Mongols thanks to the Moscow prince, and was still led by the Rurikid dynasty. Moscow had taken over as the capital because it was stronger and safer than Kiev, which, by then, was off doing its own thing. After the Mongols sacked Kiev in 1240, it ended up under the Grand Duchy of Lithuania and later the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth.

Kiev stayed away Russian for nearly 400 years until 1654, when the Cossacks, tired of Polish rule, asked the Russian Tsar for help. Here is how it happened:

Kiev, after being destroyed by the Mongols and later absorbed by Poland, became the wild frontier- a borderline town at the edge of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth. It wasn’t exactly the cozy cultural hub it had been in the days of Kievan Rus. By this point, Kiev was more of a rough-and-tumble outpost.

Enter the Cossacks, essentially the DIY survivalists of their time. They gravitated to places like Kiev because it was smack in the middle of all the action - close enough to raid, defend, or barter. Plus, being on the border meant fewer rules and less oversight, which suited the Cossacks perfectly. They were a mix of runaway serfs, adventurers, and outcasts carving out a living on the fringes of society, where law and order were more like suggestions than actual policies.

Kiev became their stomping ground, a place where Polish nobles tried to maintain control but never managed to fully tame the rebellious spirit of the Cossacks. Then the Polish authorities made a fatal mistake: they tried to force the Cossacks into Catholicism, thinking it would solve the "Cossack problem" and temper their wild spirit. However, the Cossacks, who were staunch Orthodox Christians, weren’t about to put up with this craziness. Realizing enough was enough, they turned to the Russian Tsar for help.

The Cossacks formally integrated into Russia through the Pereyaslav Agreement, where they pledged allegiance to the Tsar in exchange for military protection. (And yes, if you’ve seen Putin’s interview with Tucker, he even mentioned the famous Cossack letter to the Tsar asking for help.) This alliance was a turning point, bringing Kiev and the surrounding regions under Russian influence and securing the Cossacks’ role as defenders of the borderlands.

After Russia gladly took Kiev back under the Pereyaslav Agreement, it stayed part of Russian territory until Ukraine’s independence in 1991. So, Kiev had a bit of a wild journey but eventually found its way back to the Russian fold (for a few centuries, at least).

The Cossacks: Not Exactly Ukrainian

Ukraine likes to portray the Cossacks as proto-Ukrainians. But as mentioned above the Cossacks were their own thing - a mix of Slavic and Turkic influences, with a strong independent streak. It’s also pretty ironic when pro-ukranian or ukranians try to label Russians as “barbaric” or “Mongols” but then turn around and claim that the Cossacks were the original Ukrainians. Let’s unpack that for a second. The Cossacks were a fascinating, rebellious bunch - basically, the outcasts of society. They were people who ran away from other lands for various reasons: they were escaping slavery, crushing poverty, or political chaos. And here’s the kicker: many of them weren’t even Slavic. A significant number had Turkic or Mongol roots, blending into this unique, fiercely independent group. So, calling them the "original Ukrainians" is a bit of a stretch - unless you think running away from somewhere and forming a melting pot of runaway adventurers qualifies as a national origin story.

Also the Cossacks were warriors, fiercely loyal to Russian tsars, and had their own unique identity.

Here’s where it gets hilariously inconsistent: first, Ukrainians talk about their history as Kievan Rus - a massive medieval state that spanned vast territories and had princes baptizing nations. But then, they proudly pivot to the Cossack state (the Zaporozhian Sich, founded in the mid-16th century), which was basically a rugged camp of rebellious adventurers and runaway serfs.

Now, about that "state": at its peak, the Zaporozhian Sich was about the size of your average modern county and was more of a military stronghold than a proper country. So, how do you go from claiming the grandeur of Kievan Rus - a sprawling powerhouse - to a rowdy group of warriors camping out on the Dnieper River?

The wild trip of Western Ukraine Galicia (or the Principality of Galicia) was a but after the Mongols gave Kievan Rus a hard time, Galicia-Volhynia got swept up by the Kingdom of Poland, later becoming part of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth. Then, in a plot twist, the Austro-Hungarian Empire scooped it up, and Galicia spent a good chunk of its history as a Habsburg possession.

So how did Galicia, now the western part of Ukraine that causes the most trouble and wants to dominate the rest of the country, end up as part of Ukraine?

Well, after centuries of being shuffled around like the awkward cousin at a family reunion, Galicia found itself in the chaos of the 20th century. Following the collapse of the Austro-Hungarian Empire after World War I, it briefly flirted with independence before being claimed by Poland again. Then came World War II, and the Soviet Union decided it was time for Galicia to join the Ukrainian SSR in 1939, thanks to a little thing called the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact. When Ukraine became independent in 1991, Galicia officially became part of the modern Ukrainian state.

So, while Galicia has historical ties to the Rus principalities, its journey to becoming part of Ukraine was more of a chaotic detour through various empires than a straight line.

The Origins of Ukraine’s Name: A Story of Borders Here’s where it gets interesting. Remember how I mentioned that Rus is obviously the root of Russia, Russkij, and even Belarus? But what about Ukraine? Well, the term “okraina” (which translates to “borderland” or “outskirts”) started being used in the 16th century to describe regions that are now part of modern Ukraine. Back then, it was applied to far-flung or frontier areas of the growing Russian Tsardom or the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth outskirts. The word comes from the Old Slavic “krai,” meaning “edge” or “boundary,” and originally had a purely geographic meaning - it wasn’t meant as an insult or anything like that. After the Pereyaslav Agreement of 1654, when much of the modern Ukrainian territory officially became part of the Russian state, okraina became a common way to refer to these lands, simply marking their distance from Moscow. And here’s the kicker: this wasn’t unique to Ukraine. The term was also used for other border regions of the state. So, no special shade- just geography doing its thing.

The Bottom Line

The term “Kievan Rus” may evoke the grandeur of Kiev’s past, but it’s a label applied by modern historians, not a reflection of how the state saw itself. The Rurikid dynasty, which founded and ruled it, came from Novgorod, not Kiev, and its legacy is far more tied to Russian history than Ukraine’s.

From rebranding Galicia-Volhynia into the phantom "Kingdom of Ruthenia" - which was first part of Rus and later absorbed by Poland - to claiming the Cossacks as Ukrainians, the modern Ukrainian narrative is a masterclass in historical creativity. But history isn’t a buffet - you can’t just cherry-pick the parts you like and pretend the rest doesn’t exist."

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[–] LeniX@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

A very compacted and somewhat simplified version, but pretty much yeah, that is it. I guess there's no practical way to have deep historical discussions on Twitter.

I'd like to add a few bits here and there: the Cossacks were indeed a hodgepodge of different ethnic groups that for one reason or another decided to, let's say... live a particular lifestyle different from the common peasant one. Both the Polish Commonwealth (see "registered cossacks") and the Russian state employed cossacks to be sort of guardians for the sparsely populated and weakly defended frontiers of their respective territories. It is precisely because of that reason the Russian state gave the Zaporozhian Sich some degree of autonomy.

Modern Ukrainian "historians" love to paint the Cossacks as these "heroic, freedom-loving liberators of the poor Ukrainian peasants", when in reality they 1) weren't necessarily that ethnically related to the Ukrainian peasants and 2) saw themselves more like paramilitary garrisons and military nobility (see "Szlachta"), and acted accordingly - they saw the local peasants exactly like a noble would see them, and they were no strangers to occasional raids, plundering, what have you.

Another funny thing - if you read modern Ukrainian "history" school textbooks (which are nothing short of blatant anti-Russian and anti-Communist state propaganda), you'll see them pointing at the Tsarist/Russian Empire liquidating the Zaporozhian Sich and saying "see? they always hated freedom-loving Ukrainian spirit, they wanted to destroy the Ukrainians!", when in reality the reason they did it was practical - they didn't need Cossack garrisons there anymore, as the frontier regions got secure enough. The Cossacks were then relocated to places where they were actually needed, most prominently Kuban (modern Krasnodar krai), and that is why there's a very specific dialect there closely related to Ukrainian called "balachka" (though it's been dying out for the last 80 years)

That's not to say there never were any repressions of the Ukrainian language or culture. After the Russian Empire started transitioning to capitalism several pieces of legislature were issued (like the Valuyev circulaire and the decree of Ems), placing massive restrictions on the Ukrainian language (at that point not even recognized as a separate language) - you can also read Lenin's works, they have some references to the aforementioned phenomena, as well as Tsarist repression of Ukrainians in general.

[–] cfgaussian@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 7 months ago

Indeed. And this only covers the Ukrainian nationalist rewriting of pre-20th century history. To discuss all the ways in which they blatantly lie and fabricate history in the 20th century would take at least five of these posts.

[–] lorty@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I have a feeling the author might also have an axe to grind with the byzantine empire hehe

Good post

[–] REEEEvolution@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Oh ffs, byzantine empire is such bullshit. They considered themselves to be the roman empire.

[–] cfgaussian@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 7 months ago

Eh. I find discussions over nomenclature tedious and frankly not very interesting, but here's my two cents on the issue:

You could say that other polities throughout history also liked to consider themselves "Rome" in some sense of the word (HRE, Sultanate of Rum, Ottomans, Russian Empire, even the Bulgarian Tsardom laid some claim to the title at one point).

But the reality is that the medieval polity that evolved out of the Eastern Roman Empire was distinct enough from the Roman Empire of late Antiquity that it makes sense for historians to call it by a different, albeit anachronistic name in order to differentiate them.

This is also why we don't call the pre-Mongol Rurikid Rus "Russia", even though essentially one directly evolved into the other and even the names Rus and Russian are just two different ways of saying the same thing. However, in order to distinguish two very different periods of history it makes sense to use different names.