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Yoon Suk Yeol planned a false-flag conspiration(, how unoriginal). (i.ibb.co)
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[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 31 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I saw an interesting take on the whole thing suggesting that the US might've been behind this. US military is effectively in control of occupied Korea, so there's no chance that a military backed coup could happen without the US knowing.

So, the question becomes why the US might want to stage a coup in occupied Korea, and the answer may be that the US wants arms sent to Ukraine. The ruling party does not have the majority and they can't authorize arms transfer because the opposition is blocking it. On top of that, the opposition is leaning towards normalizing relations with China, and it's hostile to Japan getting in the way of Asian NATO.

It might be that the US lost patience with Korea and decides to speed things up a bit.

[–] cfgaussian@lemmygrad.ml 17 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I mean of course the Americans were involved if this was a plot by the Korean intelligence/military apparatus, everyone knows the KCIA is just a paper thin sock puppet draped over the CIA's hand.

[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 12 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Exactly, and thus the real question is why the US would want to turn Korea back into a military dictatorship.

[–] Idliketothinkimsmart@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Could be the USonians trying to goad China &/ North Korea into full blown war

[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It's hard to imagine that either would take the bait. The most likely outcome would be that occupied Korea implodes internally.

[–] AnarchoBolshevik@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

I bet that the Democratic People's Republic of Korea is now experiencing an increase in immigrants or refugees because of the havoc in the Rep. of Korea.

[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 1 week ago

As far as I know it's notoriously difficult to cross north. I guess people could go to China and then go north from there though.

[–] soumerd_retardataire@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

It's not because they (possibly )knew that they necessarily wanted it to happen though ?
Just that if they ever knew about something so secret, then they probably didn't say "no", and more something like "it's your responsibility" instead ?

For what it's worth : if they instigated something like that, it'd probably not come without a formation of the korean citizen's mindset first, and we(sterners) would probably have felt this preparation at home as well.
Well, on the other side coups were apparently quite frequent in the 50s-80s, so my guess is as good as yours.

Good to remember by the way that, as you know, like Hong-Kong and Taiwan, these countries were among the western-backed dictatorships, so their history books are different than ours :

  • Rhee Syngnam from 1948 to 1960 ;
  • Park Chung-hee from 1961 to 1979 ;
  • and Chun Doo-hwan from 1980 to 1988.

There are many countries in the region, but Myanmar is special since it only stopped being a dictatorship in 2011, after 49 years, yet they went back in 2021.
We also supported Suharto until its disappearance from 1967 to 1998, the Philippines from 1965 to 1986, etc.
And it's probably worth mentioning the authoritarian South Vietnam as well(, 1955-1963), due to the similarities with Korea.
And we'll remember the Khmer rouge, but not the authoritarian and western-backed Lon Nol.
We(sterners) also supported the military regimes in Thailand, anything but communism.
Lee Kuan Yew in Singapore was also considered authoritarian.

I don't think that there are a lot of countries in Africa, South America, or South-East Asia, who escaped (western-backed )dictatorships, but it'd have been worse if freedom wasn't among our most important "universal" values(, after anti-communism, anti-islamism, and anti-'whatever influent ideology survived the colonization'), let's say that we(sterners) were "forced" and that we couldn't possibly live peacefully with commies&others, for a reason i've yet to fully grasp since we could probably live in peace while staying capitalists with the right measures/protections, guess they preferred the cold war rather than taking the risk.

[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 14 points 1 week ago

I can't see something like that being carried out without a green light from the US. So, at the very least they were willing to look away. Yoon is precisely the kind of dictator the US would want to install, he's rabidly anti China and pro Japan. Biden admin isn't exactly known for their competence or subtlety. It does seem like they misjudged public backlash here.

[–] SadArtemis@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

This. The South Korean military is literally subordinate to the US' (on paper, "only in times of war"). Maybe they could break free, but until then the idea the US wasn't involved in the motions of declaring and enforcing martial law, etc. is pretty laughable.

[–] redtea@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 1 week ago

“only in times of war”

Lmao how does that work when you put your military bases in someone else's country? That makes the place perpetually in a time of war.

[–] OrnluWolfjarl@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

In Trump's last term he achieved having both sides sit down to talk. He stated that he understood North Korea's security concerns. I think there's a fear in Washington he'll do the same again and might succeed.

[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 1 week ago

Oh yeah I can see that, especially given that the opposition seems receptive towards normalizing relations with the north.

[–] porcupine@lemmygrad.ml 25 points 1 week ago

"North Korea's devious refusal to attack when provoked just proved how dangerous they are. They only refused to attack so their feigned peacefulness would undermine the peaceful democratic south, thus enabling them to attack. In not attacking, they proved beyond a doubt their intent to attack more than an attack ever could." -Tony Blinken, probably

[–] Finiteacorn@lemmygrad.ml 21 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

i think its funny that these people are so delusional with their own propaganda that they thought there was a chance they could get the DPRK to START A HOT WAR over some flyers. They have been patient for a century why would they restart the war over that.

[–] soumerd_retardataire@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 1 week ago

There are mounting suspicions that former Defense Minister Kim Yong-hyun intended to justify the declaration of martial law or a state of united defense by instigating a military conflict with North Korea by ordering strikes on the sites from which the North was launching trash-filled balloons and flying unmanned drones to Pyongyang.

— https://english.hani.co.kr/arti/english_edition/e_national/1172239.html

[–] cfgaussian@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Link to the original thread: https://xcancel.com/BluRoofPolitics/status/1866500696260145330

I don't see a source though, so take it with a grain of salt for now.

[–] soumerd_retardataire@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

(the link to the original thread was in the selftext b.t.w.)

It seems like the last record for today hasn't been published yet, if it's indeed there that we should look to find the source.
However, false-flags are unfortunately awfully common since it gives us/them a.n excuse/'casus belli'(, e.g., and we know it for using it ourselves, or willingly accepting an attack, or "forcing"(, we always have a choice if we accept to bear the consequences,) the hands of their enemies while pretending it was unprovoked, such as ~'with Pearl Harbor due to the lack of oil', or the 7th of October due to the ongoing colonization of Palestine, etc. It's never purely angelic on one side vs. diabolical on the other, hopefully both sides are trying to be/do good, but the winners will write the history books and real/amoral selfish politic is considered more efficient).

[–] cfgaussian@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Yeah, nevermind about the source, i found it. It appears this is all actually pretty solid, even occupied Korea news are reporting this: https://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/nation/2024/12/113_387984.html