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[–] ClimateChangeAnxiety@hexbear.net 47 points 1 month ago (5 children)

The fact that Joe Manchin is allowed to continue calling himself a member of the Democratic Party is a condemnation of that party and confirms to me that their “failures” are actually deliberate controlled opposition.

No self respecting political party with a policy platform it wants to impose would allow this. It doesn’t even have anything to do with the specifics of the policy, this is something that any political party who actually wants to legislate, for good or for evil, should follow.

You don’t allow members of your party to consistently vote against your policy platform. If they do that, you strip them of any powers you’ve given them, kick them out of your party, and run an opponent in their district with more funding than any other race in the country.

The republicans would not allow one of their members to constantly destroy their major platform items like this, because they are a serious political endeavor with goals they intend to accomplish. The Democrats are not, they are controlled opposition whose only goal is to lose, lose bad, and lose frequently, and that is the only reason they would allow this to continue.

[–] SuperZutsuki@hexbear.net 25 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

The thing is, there's no party membership. You can just say you're a Democrat and run as a Democrat. But for the DNC to just shrug and go, "That's ol Joe!" is an insult to every worker in this country. And we have no media willing to call this shit out for what it is: bipartisanship on the side of corporate greed.

[–] SerLava@hexbear.net 15 points 1 month ago

Yeah American political parties are halfway between actual political parties and a pre-baked intraparty coalition. With all the bad shit that comes from both of those with not much of the good shit

[–] ClimateChangeAnxiety@hexbear.net 11 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I mean there isn’t and there is, he can run but they can refuse to put him on any committees, refuse to give him any money, and heavily fund a primary challenger

[–] SuperZutsuki@hexbear.net 11 points 1 month ago

And yet they never do thinking-about-it

Seems like an exemplary member of the party to me

[–] GoodGuyWithACat@hexbear.net 17 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The fact that Joe Manchin is allowed to continue calling himself a member of the Democratic Party is a condemnation of that party and confirms to me that their “failures” are actually deliberate controlled opposition.

Joe Manchin and Sinema are both independent now, not that it matters. They could do this as Democrats without punishment.

[–] ClimateChangeAnxiety@hexbear.net 12 points 1 month ago

Is Manchin an independent now? I knew Sinema was, I thought Manchin was still a Dem

[–] inv3r5ion@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

It’s entirely deliberate. Also you forgot to add something after losing hard and often: fundraising off the loss.

[–] DragonBallZinn@hexbear.net 13 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

It’s why Harris running with Cheney and her whole message being how “non-threatening” she is to the normies was doomed to fail.

Have they paid attention to us politics for even half a second? The American people (well the ones that vote) are fiercely loyal to the GOP. Arguably Trump won solely because he’s a republican and Americans have a strong brand loyalty to Republicans, literally the name brand party.

Be literally anything else other than “just like my competitor you know and love!”

[–] DragonBallZinn@hexbear.net 37 points 1 month ago (1 children)

So dems handed not only two SCOTUS seats to Trump on a silver platter and now a NLRB seat?

Man, dems better badger the GOP on that thank you present they owe them.

[–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)

at least 2 scotus seats so far. Isn't Sotomayor dealing with multiple health issues?

And wouldn't be surprised if others step down for civility/unity reasons

[–] DragonBallZinn@hexbear.net 7 points 1 month ago

Every day I am slowly realizing the closest I will ever get to my ideals on this continent is if I immigrated to Quebec and joined the Bloc Québécois. (Hey, I said closest.)

Anything to the left of the GOP is unthinkable and irrelevant.

[–] bbnh69420@hexbear.net 33 points 1 month ago

Wait I thought the NLRB was going to be a crucial reason why we voted blue 😱

[–] Dimmer06@hexbear.net 25 points 1 month ago

I hope "organized labor" is happy with this after the last four years of totally debasing themselves by sucking up to Biden and Harris instead of capitalizing on the new interest in labor organizing.

[–] 30_to_50_Feral_PAWGs@hexbear.net 25 points 1 month ago

When the party whip is more of the gentle dom type

[–] Infamousblt@hexbear.net 15 points 1 month ago