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Singh says NDP will vote to bring down Trudeau government (www.cbc.ca)
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NDP Leader Jagmeet Singh says his party will bring forward a motion of non-confidence to bring down the Trudeau government in the next sitting of the House of Commons.

"The Liberals don't deserve another chance," Singh wrote in a letter on Friday. "That's why the NDP will vote to bring this government down."

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[–] psvrh@lemmy.ca 3 points 11 minutes ago

Just to remind everyone: Layton pulled this same stunt, toppling Martin's government.

The result was the loss of a number of progressive initiatives Martin's people were working on, the election of fucking Stephen Harper and the most conservative Canadian political landscape since Borden. Science was suppressed, lslamophobia went from being a dogwhistle to a bullhorn, we narrowly avoided economic catastrophy. Harper even fucked with the Census in an attempt to remake Canada.

A lot of dippers really idolized Layton, but honestly he was a shameless opportunist and I don't forgive him for giving us almost a decade of Harper.

And Singh is pulling the same fucking stunt.

[–] brax@sh.itjust.works 14 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

The Liberals don't deserve another chance, sure, but handing the election over to the conservative party? What the fuck...

[–] Pixel@lemmy.ca 9 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

Why is it the responsibility of a third party like the NDP to keep up the Liberals in power?

If the NDP can steal and win former Liberal seats, it seems really dumb not to capitalize on that opportunity. It's not like the NDP will form government, nor will the Conservatives lose traction in the next 10 months. There's a Conservative government coming in regardless of how you feel.

[–] brax@sh.itjust.works 1 points 6 hours ago

It's not, but when the country is frothing at the mouth over even more unhinged authoritarian/oligarchy leadership than what we have, NDP aren't going to stand much of a chance on their own. All the going to do is drive more people to vote CPC

[–] honc@lemmy.ca 3 points 8 hours ago

Except the NDP are unlikely to pick up many Liberal seats and will go from holding the balance of power to having no power. I don’t follow this logic.

[–] SplashJackson@lemmy.ca 15 points 1 day ago (2 children)

"Maybe when Canada is fed up with the Cons, they'll vote us in!"

Shortsighted buffoons

[–] psvrh@lemmy.ca 1 points 16 minutes ago

Singh et al learned absolutely nothing from the Harper era

[–] ProgrammingSocks@pawb.social 2 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (3 children)

The only shortsighted buffoons I see are the Liberals who have thoroughly failed to meaningfully improve their voters' lives and address any of the many social crises that are impacting us.

[–] SplashJackson@lemmy.ca 1 points 42 minutes ago

Drop the whataboutism. Hold yourself to a higher standard.

All political parties are a blight on democracy. Case in point, party whips.

[–] nik282000@lemmy.ca 1 points 43 minutes ago

The only shortsighted buffoons I see are the NDP who have thoroughly failed to meaningfully improve their voters’ lives and address any of the many social crises that are impacting us.

The only shortsighted buffoons I see are the Conservatives who have thoroughly failed to meaningfully improve their voters’ lives and address any of the many social crises that are impacting us.

Works with every party.

[–] bluebadoo@lemmy.world 2 points 8 hours ago

How do you feel about response to COVID and the CERB payments?

Personally, that was a federal win for me.

[–] rabber@lemmy.ca 24 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Dang welcome to Trump's Canada I guess. Scary times boys

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[–] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 29 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Can this wait until Feb 1? Give Canadians a bit more of a chance to see the US get fucked first.

[–] sik0fewl@lemmy.ca 19 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Parliament doesn't sit until Jan 26, so it won't happen before then.

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 13 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

First sitting on the 27th, to be exact. Source.

Yeah, I'm panicking a lot less now. And depending on the exact rules JT could prorogue it even further.

Somebody in the media mentioned a Liberal leadership election; if he goes that way I'll be "kalm" again.

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[–] Showroom7561@lemmy.ca 21 points 1 day ago (1 children)

"The Liberals don't deserve another chance,"

And Conservatives shouldn't even get a chance, yet Singh is handing them power on a silver plate.

Burning down the country and democracy in the West "to own the Libs" sounds like a plan we may never recover from.

[–] Pixel@lemmy.ca 16 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

The Conservatives will win either way. There's nothing in the next 10 months that would prevent the Conservatives from winning short of PP beating up children.

Voting no confidence now allows the NDP to viably compete for seats like Ottawa Centre where the liberals are weak and rebuild their influence and standing in the house. I don't see why it's the duty of every left-leaning party to prop up the Liberals as the natural governing party. Waiting 10 months isn't going to cause the NDP to sweep into government, it might at best just delay the inevitable if they're lucky, but more likely delaying will catastrophically wipe out their party by making them look like Liberal stage props.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 4 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I don't see why it's the duty of every left-leaning party to prop up the Liberals as the natural governing party.

It's the third party fallacy all over again.

[–] emeralddawn45@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 13 hours ago

Maybe Turdeau should have fucking followed through on election reform like he promised then.

[–] ProgrammingSocks@pawb.social 1 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

There is no fallacy. It's a solid split between NDP and Liberals. And that's really being propped up by the East. In the West it's Conservative vs NDP.

[–] Showroom7561@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 day ago (2 children)

It's about optics.

Canada is one of the last few full democracies out there, and seeing how the United States has already failed, to give up and surrender sends a strong message to other nations that democracy just doesn't work.

[–] emeralddawn45@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Its not giving up and surrendering for the NDP to not support thr liberals. Unconditionally supporting them no matter what because of fear of the conservatives would be surrendering.

[–] Showroom7561@lemmy.ca 0 points 13 hours ago

Well, Jagmeet said just the other day that what Conservatives have been doing (with these non-confidence votes), was a game, and that he wasn't going to play.

Now, all of a sudden, he's caved?

Something either happened behind closed doors, or he's surrendered.

That's how I see it, and I could be totally wrong.

[–] Pixel@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

So you're saying that if a viable parliamentary democracy is functioning as intended, it has failed?

[–] Showroom7561@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

viable parliamentary democracy is functioning as intended

I guess that depends on your definition of functioning.

Just the other day, the NDP leader said this: "We’re not going to vote in favour of any of their games because that’s what (the Conservatives are) doing. They’re playing games,” Singh told reporters after the vote was tallied. (SOURCE)

And now he wants to play games with our future by handing Conservatives more power?

We all know that the Conservative party in Canada and the Republicans in the US are not acting in good faith to bring benefit to the people, so is this how our democracy is supposed to work?

We have a democracy FOR THE PEOPLE, and if the people aren't benefiting from these "games", then it's not functioning as intended.

In my opinion, of course.

[–] Pixel@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Democracy's success isn't measured by how one person feels about an incoming government - it's based on the strength of democratic institutions, and liberal democracies are further characterized by strong civil societies and human rights regimes. If the majority of Canadians want a Conservative government in power - why do you feel that preference shouldn't be accepted?

It doesn't sound like you even want a democracy, you just want a one-party autocracy, given that you feel that people shouldn't be allowed to have fluid political preferences. That's a failure of democracy - a one party state with all decisions made by someone on Lemmy.

I'm not happy about an incoming Conservative majority government either, but my gut reaction isn't to start claiming that democracy in Canada has failed. I'm able to calmly acknowledge that there's a party right now that is probably going to win a plurality of votes and ridings because the majority of voters align with their messaging. That's not a failure of democracy, that's a success of democracy.

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 14 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

~~We're doomed. Probably.~~

[–] Frederic@beehaw.org 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yup, and gov is in vacation until Jan 27th, so when they wil go back to work, Trump in its first week may have already destroyed a couple of things here and there in our economy

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 1 day ago

Actually, that's a good thing. Parliament blow up before he arrives. The government itself will continue to operate.

Thanks, I thought they were coming back early January and was worried.

[–] NotSteve_@lemmy.ca 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I guess it's PP time...

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 18 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Yeah, WTF is he thinking? At least wait until October after we've had a chance to put out the Trump fire a bit.

Hopefully it's a bluff to get Trudeau to resign, but that's not really the typical NDP MO.

[–] ValueSubtracted@startrek.website 16 points 1 day ago (10 children)

WTF is he thinking?

For better or worse, he's probably reached the point where he thinks they need to cut all remaining ties to the Liberals, and not be seen as propping them up, formally or otherwise.

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 day ago

With the Conservatives 20 points ahead in polls, it's definitely for worse.

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[–] Kichae@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 day ago

WTF is he thinking?

"The Bloc will let me do some performative grand standing. I hope."

[–] NotSteve_@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I hope so too but it doesn't really seem like a smart move since it'd make their threats seem empty (though actually going through with this isn't smart either...)

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[–] ValueSubtracted@startrek.website 10 points 1 day ago

Get ready for one of the ugliest campaigns in living memory.

[–] Sunshine@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 day ago

Please don’t do it Mr Singh.

[–] bigcanuck42@lemmy.ca -4 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

Just saw that he is eligible for pension on Jan 24th........ Do with what you want with that info

[–] Pixel@lemmy.ca 9 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

The pension is a red herring tossed around by morons. If he didn't get the pension, he'd get a return of his contributions and just invest it in index funds. People make it sound like a $40k/year pension will make or break his retirement plans lmao.

Parliament doesn't sit until Jan 26. You still have to get input from NDP HQ and the caucus before you go around voting non-confidence. Freeland resigned a day before parliament was about to adjourn and y'all make it sound like it needed to be a gut reaction.

[–] Nomecks@lemmy.ca 5 points 15 hours ago

He's rich. The pension is meaningless.

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