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[–] TheEighthDoctor@lemmy.world 5 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Capitalism didn't invent slaves lol

[–] K1nsey6@lemmy.world 8 points 6 days ago (1 children)

No, but they created entire industries based on the sale if humans

[–] TheEighthDoctor@lemmy.world -4 points 6 days ago

Civilization is a product of slavery and it started in mesopotamia

[–] gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 78 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Also gotta remember about the Irish Potato Famine where the English just literally stood by and said "well yeah that's just how it is" due to "free market" reasons. (In fact, they made everything worse by demanding that Ireland continue to export wheat)

The Irish Potato Famine killed approximately 1 million people due to "free market above all" ideology.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 31 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Don't forget the, "no, you can't grow what you used to eat, you have to grow potatoes" part.

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[–] Realitaetsverlust@lemmy.zip 59 points 1 week ago (11 children)

Ye the world was a peaceful place before capitalism, there were no wars, no slaves and no ...

checks history books

Oh no

Oh no no no no

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[–] Rooty@lemmy.world 55 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (17 children)

Reducing widespread human rights abuses in the Soviet Union to "one famine" shows a heady mixture of deliberate ignorance with hubris that only a western university educated leftist can posess.

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[–] Eatspancakes84@lemmy.world 47 points 1 week ago (6 children)

Not to undermine the argument, but capitalism did not start in 16th century England.

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[–] nexguy@lemmy.world 44 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It's a good thing there were no genocides, slave grades, and constant wars before capitalism. Pheww

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[–] hobovision@lemm.ee 41 points 1 week ago (2 children)

There are so many good arguments against capitalism, why make such a terrible one full of holes, lies, and fallacies?

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[–] moody@lemmings.world 37 points 1 week ago (19 children)

Surely Rome wasn't a warmongering, genocidal, capitalist-colonialist society with the rich elite hoarding untold wealth and trading in slaves 1500 years earlier, right?

[–] TempermentalAnomaly@lemmy.world 36 points 1 week ago (17 children)

The Roman mode of production wasn't capitalist exploitation of wage earners who sold their labor, but through their exploration of slaves in an agregarian system. There's some arguments to be made that capitalist systems start as early as 12th century Italy, but it becomes dominant in 1600s England and is able to radically transform that society.

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[–] Thrashy@lemmy.world 26 points 1 week ago

Somebody let Spain know they're off the hook for all the colonizing, slavery and genocide since they hadn't invented capitalism yet!

[–] prunerye@slrpnk.net 24 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

16th century England wasn't even capitalist. It was mercantilist-- strong central control over a zero-sum economic system focusing primarily on lopsided international trade as the means of building wealth.

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[–] allo@sh.itjust.works 20 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Not to undermine the argument, but plenty of other cultures without capitalism were horrific and did ridiculous wars for basically all of history.

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[–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 1 week ago (7 children)

guys, i think human society is just innately evil.

Like i hate to break it to you, but conquest and war has existed for a long ass fucking time.

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[–] DarkCloud@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago (6 children)

A famine that wasn't caused by the ideology directly, but by picking the wrong guy to run agriculture. It wasn't communism that caused the famine, it was Trofim Lysenko's unscientific ideology; Lysenkoism.

...plus Authoritarian Communism shouldn't count, amd the death tolls of Capitalism, Colonialism, and The Catholic Church have all been higher in total.

[–] rockerface@lemm.ee 21 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Both authoritarian and capitalist systems lead to massive disparities and overall low quality of life for majority of people. It is where the seemingly opposite ideologies converge on the one thing they do best: concentrate power in the hands of few.

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