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[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 58 points 2 days ago (4 children)

In June, a panel of Wikipedia editors declared the Anti-Defamation League a “generally unreliable” source of information about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict

And there was an outcry this fall among some Jewish scholars and pro-Israel activists over edits to Wikipedia’s entry for Zionism to add references to “colonization.”

So basically the usual zionist hostility towards logical conclusions based on mountains of credible evidence. Except taken to 11.

roadmap for fighting antisemitism and anti-Zionism

Extremely unfun fact: Zionism and the aggressively counterfactual defense of it is the number one cause of ACTUAL antisemitism in the world.

Some people who have never been bigoted before start at justified outrage at the atrocities committed by the fascist apartheid regime in charge of Israel and go down rabbit holes conflating Israel and all Jewish people, leading to some of the most disgusting conspiracy theories in existence.

[–] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 16 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

Militant zionism is also great at creating terrorists

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Absolutely!

All kinds of violent suppression is, but the sheer scale, audacity and inhumanity as well as the complicity of most of the richest and most powerful countries in the world makes for an especially potent recipe for the kind of trauma and feelings of helplessness that leads to the extreme radicalization of oppressed people

[–] Hazor@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I have found myself wondering if Israel's actions are causing Hamas to grow faster than they can kill its members. Where's the saying come from, "one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter"? Were my family and friends being killed just for existing, with the sole excuse being that there might possibly have been terrorists in the area maybe, I can't say I'd be content to sit idly by to watch others suffer the same. And I suspect I'm not alone in that.

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[–] Tja@programming.dev 8 points 1 day ago (26 children)

Do you have a source about the Zionism thing? Because antisemitism was alive and well for most of western history. And for me personally seeing Israel starve a bunch of children in Gaza make me hate Israel / IDF, not the Jewish baker down the street.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

antisemitism was alive and well for most of western history

So was anti-Teutonism and anti-Sinoism and anti-Americanism for that matter. I'm not sure you can absolve the Jewish state of its crimes by pointing to a rival clan of bigots.

seeing Israel starve a bunch of children in Gaza make me hate Israel / IDF, not the Jewish baker down the street.

Part of the problem with Zionism (and other ultra-nationalist movements), is how it deliberately works to draw sharp lines between people globally in order to justify horrifying colonial violence locally. I've got Jewish neighbors and family who are very weird on Israel specifically, because they've considered a Jewish State a source of pride for so much of their lives. You can't really address the Gaza Genocide without getting an earful about how Palestinians started it and Arabs deserve it.

In the same way, seeing my state government persecute trans people and black/hispanic minorities can't mentally be divorced from a Texas baker down the street waving a little Trump flag.

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[–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I don't know if it's the number one cause, but it has definitely caused me to have some antisemitic thoughts before I caught myself doing it and started making a serious mental effort to always distinguish between Zionism, Judaism, and Jewish ethnicity. Nothing else has ever caused me to give credence to racist ideas.

It also seems pretty obvious to me that it contributes to antisemitism when monsters like Netanyahu are allowed to get away with claiming they represent all Jews.

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[–] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Expect the accusations of antisemitism to extend to pedophilia, anti-white racism, and communism soon.

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[–] kevlar21@lemm.ee 138 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Can’t have anybody spreading the truth now, can we?

[–] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 70 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Reality is just a liberal conspiracy!

[–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 9 points 1 day ago

Reality is a scam made up by Big Philosophy to sell more philosophy.

[–] raynethackery@lemmy.world 36 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Made a note to donate on payday.

[–] theangryseal@lemmy.world 25 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I always give to Wikipedia. I’m poor as shit, but anytime I see that banner they gonna get some money.

NOTHING has been as useful for me in the last 20 years. I have learned so much I’ve forgotten over half of it.

I’m a hillbilly who has no education past around the 5th grade. It has been invaluable to me. I wouldn’t be who I am without it. Honestly without the internet as a whole, but especially Wikipedia.

[–] nexusband@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

I have learned so much I’ve forgotten over half of it.

The crux is, i have learned it, told myself "Oh yeah, that's on Wikipedia" and only remember where to find what information. I'm utterly useless without Wikipedia, as many family quiz losses around Christmas turned out.. Hell, even sources i use for discussions on the internet i get often from Wikipedia articles, they sometimes link the actual studies...my google foo is pretty good, but some things i'm simply unable to find, except in the Wikipedia source lists...

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[–] Frostbeard@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)

So how do these idiots plan to solve the fact that many editors are not in fact based in the US. Just move edition these articles to any other country?

[–] AngryRobot@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The Heritage Foundation doesn't care if the people they dox are Americans or not. They care not for borders when it gets in the way of their agenda.

[–] Frostbeard@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Well. I think they can dox someone editing out of Pajala in Sweden, Drenas in Kosovo, Bifuka in Japan or Bella Cola in Canada and it will mean fuck all. Perhaps Cletus in Bumfuck North Carolina will seethe but i will mean nothing

[–] BMTea@lemmy.world 55 points 2 days ago

The entire US conservative establishment is waging a holy crusade against anyone who opposes their Israeli alter ego's Biblical bloodlettings. You'd think they had no problems to handle at home.

[–] veganpizza69@lemmy.world 27 points 2 days ago (3 children)
[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 25 points 2 days ago (1 children)

A rare kind of encyclopedia that makes you more ignorant and/or angry the more of it you read, regardless of topics.

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[–] RedditWanderer@lemmy.world 35 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I put on a robe and a ~~wizard~~ red hat. I gotchu wiki

Edit: I also went to donate again. Let's hope this causes a storm for these assholes. Streisand effect kinda thing, wiki is probably humanity's single greatest altruistic/collective achievement.

[–] TheFin@leminal.space 5 points 1 day ago

what a joke

[–] IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 2 days ago (5 children)

Fedi-pedia when? (Fediverse Wikipedia)

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