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Let's say we have a certain Trill symbiont with a host. What would happen if the symbiont was duplicated under the condition that:

  • The host and symbiont were transporter cloned. (2 Jadzia Daxs)
  • A person from an alternate timeline with the same symbiont ends up permanently marooned in the prime timeline. (Larry Dax from a timeline where Curzon didn't reinstate Jadzia coexisting with prime Jadzia)
  • A past host comes back from the dead with a version of the symbiont a la Spock or Shaxs, or even something similar to Doctor Who's concept of an extraction chamber (Jadzia got bored in Sto'Vo'Kor and decided to climb the Black Mountain, meaning her and Ezri exist simultaneously)

I imagine in all of them, the commission would at least let the duplicate live for the rest of the lifespan of the original host, much like the Federation at large treats transporter clones.

However, what happens when it comes time for the symbiont to be transferred? I can't imagine the commission's ideology would smile upon duplicate experiences under much of the same rationale against re-association: there would be a duplication of experiences rather than the acquiring of new ones.

I think in the first case at least, it is reasonable to assume that they'd begrudgingly transfer both symbionts, as both have the equally valid claim to being the original and randomly killing one is straight-up murder, which I imagine the rest of the Federation would dislike.

They might also do so in the second case, as at least our Larry boy has some different experiences even if some are duplicate with prime Dax.

The third one is where it gets very muddy. The nature of souls in general is a muddy subject - twofold when there are two beings involved. For the sake of argument, we'll say the Jadzia in Ezri's symbiont accessible by Zhian'tara is a "backup" of Jadzia up to her death and that a separate Jadzia Dax went to Sto'Vo'Kor^1^. What then?

1: I make this assumption because a) Ezri doesn't have Jadzia's memories of Sto'Vo'Kor and b) it was the combination of Dax and Jadzia that engaged in Klingon ritual and "just" Jadzia would not be the person that participated. Of course, this starts getting into the more mystical parts of the franchise, and it's probably good they keep it vague even through it makes canon discussion like this a nightmare... a FUN nightmare.

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[–] King_Bob_IV@startrek.website 3 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

I think in the third case the symbiont wouldn't be in Sto'Vo'Kor. It didn't die. So a Jadzia returning would be without Dax. So then the question would be would she return with the Dax memories or not.

[–] data1701d@startrek.website 2 points 5 hours ago

I could see it your way. My main gripe is it feels like saying the left side of my brain went to heaven while the right side stayed on earth.

I guess in some ways, this part of the debate mirrors the confusion of Worf post-Jadza and just the overall nature of afterlives in general.

Kolos, at the gates of Sto'Vo'Kor: psst it's me Martok, come round the back and I'll get you to Jadzia.

[–] ptz@dubvee.org 5 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

I think the TSC would take a pragmatic approach to it.

They already hide the fact that nearly 50% of the population is suitable to act as a host while only ~500 symbionts are available each year (e.g. a severe shortage of symbionts to initiates) . I think they would welcome the additional symbiont(s). Even if it's a duplicate, it would still be able to bring unique experiences back once it starts rotating through new hosts.

[–] MalikMuaddibSoong@startrek.website 3 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Let's go further, since they already lie about the number of symbionts.

The TSC would take an inspired approach and seek to discover the cloning process so they can scale symbionts to the entire population, and thus finally end the conspiracy.

You get a symbiont, and you get a symbiont, everyone gets a symbiont!

[–] ptz@dubvee.org 2 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

One thing I left out of my response, and am unsure of, is if duplicate memories would be "louder" when they're brought back.

e.g. if there are 2 Dax symbionts that contribute the memories twice (up until the point they were duplicated), would those memories de-duplicate upon return or would they be more vivid because they were contributed twice?

They could do an episode in this idea too, you got a stew going here 🤙

Some aliens arrive looking for Dax (who remembers them and why they've come) but then the aliens kidnap Dax!

After some science the crew learns that Dax must have diverged in the past and the aliens are seeking the Other Dax.

The crew finds the Other Dax, explains the situation, and cooks up a ruse to free both Dax and Other Dax.

Episode ends on Other Dax's personal log detailing a trip home to the TSC.

[–] thezeesystem@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

I could probably see a whole episode of this, a accident happened where there is 2 now, so Cisco has to do this while trail on the new one on if they had a "soul" and everything pointed that they would live, but at the last second something happened and then they decided to murder the new person and everyone hates it but nothing they can do about it. Have to maintain restarting next episodes like nothing happened previously.

[–] data1701d@startrek.website 2 points 5 hours ago

Why would a computer networking company have a say in the Jazdias’ fate? 🤣 Humor aside, I agreed with you. I’m planning on doing a Star Trek Adventures campaign (I did session 0 and we’re 1/3 of the way through the first mission), and one of my players is a joined Trill - something like your idea will probably be one of the ways I torture them, probably in addition to reuniting them with one of their past hosts’ now-elderly child.