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[–] fakir@lemm.ee 1 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

It's way more complicated than that. Say hypothetically, we have an abundance of milk which we don't but assume we do, so everyone can have as much milk as they wanted, and nobody needs to pay for it. First of all, the entire supply chain of milk production, packaging, & distribution must still exist & function efficiently, & maintain quality standards, much like it does in the current developed world. People will still need to work, farmers must still milk the cows, factories must still produce and package, goods must still be transported to and shelved on retail outlets for customers to access it. Someone still needs to clean the retail floor, and someone still needs to engage with the customers, and you need a way to reasonably compensate everyone involved. Second of all, what about milk derivatives that are not abundant, like cheese or butter or your favorite Greek yogurt? They are not in abundance, so you're back to a scarcity economy and you need to figure out how to reasonably distribute them based on need.

[–] BigBenis@lemmy.world 1 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

Many people sincerely believe certain kinds of labor to be valued at less than the cost of a decent human livelihood.

[–] Zacryon@feddit.org 1 points 6 hours ago

Modern Slavery

[–] DrFistington@lemmy.world 35 points 16 hours ago (5 children)

Not only that, but as time goes on, we become more productive and generate more profits, only to see the age of retirement increased

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[–] Siegfried@lemmy.world 10 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

I thought lemmy already surpassed this "stage"

This isnt a shitpost

[–] MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 7 points 17 hours ago

I agree, this is simply stating fact.

[–] UnfortunateShort@lemmy.world 10 points 21 hours ago (4 children)

You know, if you lived self-sufficient you'd still have to work for meeting basic needs. Even in pretty much any form of socialism you are expected to work. So yeah, I don't know what you think you are saying, but I think you are saying a whole lot of nothing here

[–] IzzyJ@lemmy.world 15 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

The problem isnt the work, the problem is you dont get most of the reward for it. It all sits in some nepo baby ceos bank account, probably overseas so they never pay taxes on it either. Every company does this, and competing with them is a risk with a 98% casaulty rate

[–] Zink@programming.dev 4 points 9 hours ago

Which is funny and sad because keeping the fruits of your labor instead of contributing to some collective is the argument for capitalism and against socialism in standard American politics.

[–] recarsion@discuss.tchncs.de 13 points 15 hours ago

Obviously work has to be done, but if the 1% wasn't hoarding all the value we're creating, we'd be able to work less AND be better off. How is it that in an era of technology and automation, we still have to work 40 hour weeks if not more, yet a large percentage of the population can barely afford the basics? Some will always be wealthier than others of course, but no person needs billions of dollars, especially not while others are starving.

[–] nyamlae@lemmy.world 5 points 14 hours ago

The problem isn't that people have to do work. The problem is that we live in an economic system where the increase in profit created by technological advances is seized by business owners to make themselves richer, at the expense of the workers who they employ. This allows some to become billionnaires while others have to work multiple jobs or become homeless.

The goal isn't to be self-sufficient -- the goal is to continue to work with others, while abolishing the class of people who would happily seize profit created by your own labour to make themselves an easy buck.

[–] brandocorp@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

It's pretty clear to me that the original theme was that capitalism can and will ignore your basic needs. In the US capitalism is the way our economy works and the way people provide for their basic needs. Yet, at the same time, we claim to represent freedom. The original point, I think, is the juxtaposition of freedom and capitalism. We have the illusion of freedom. Our true freedom is really just a choice to participate in the machine, to be a criminal, or to die.

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[–] BenLeMan@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago

You're free to use your enormous wealth to secure a comfortable life for yourself and your ilk, just like they are.

That's the logic. Law of the jungle. The strongest survive. And that's why freedom absolutists are either moronic or evil.

[–] zzx@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)

A society must consist of individuals willing to perform labor- that much I know. I also know the current system isn't working

[–] jaggedrobotpubes@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago

Yeah the deal is, you do a sensible and helpful amount of work, and get taken care of in return, like (almost) everybody else.

If you work long hours, it's because it's thrilling and you choose to, even when money isn't involved.

[–] Banana@sh.itjust.works 90 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

Literally a modern serfdom

See, it's not the working that's the issue. It's the lack of control over our surplus value. It's the lack of control over the means of production.

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