Canada

That just sounds exactly like the US system though but you have to pay for it. My girlfriend has been dealing with medical stuff lately and was being bounced around between places with a month or more waiting time between each one. And whenever something came up that she would want to ask her primary care provider about it would be a few months for an appointment. The US system as far as I can tell doesn't really have much better wait times yet people still act like it's better here when my experience is it very much isn't.

Isn't private healthcare still an option? Not that it should be the case, but I'd much rather pay a thousand a month (which is cheap) for my family to have prompt access to primary care and virtually nothing (?) for hospital trips, specialist etc.

I'm not sure how it works in places with UHC, and my job pays 100% of my insurance now, but a few years ago I was paying $1200 a month where my employer split the cost and still had to pay $300 for every doctor visit for me and about $50 for my son. Anytime any of us were in the hospital we had to ask at every step how much something would cost because we've ended up with a few hospital bills totaling up to crippling debt that we'll never get out of.

Even with my insurance costing me nothing now I still pay ~$200 for every doctor visit because we never hit out deductible of ~$6000 which keeps getting raised every few months. We definitely could hit that deductable but we'd still end up owing money for every little thing. I avoid going to the doctors because we can't afford it. We have to save for any tests/procedures at this point, I've been putting off an echo and stress test that I'm supposed to get every 6 months for about a year and a half, my heart medication just doubled in price, an ultrasound for my pregnant wife cost us $800 last month and for some reason it didn't apply towards our deductible.

Im Dead…..lol

Yank here. So, we don't have broad public healthcare because it keeps middle class people terrified of losing their white collar jobs. It also appeals to American racism, putting barriers up for people of color and the working poor to get equal treatment. Many Americans would happily screw themselves over to ensure someone else (they hate) has it worse.

We have hours long lines at private urgent care, and seeing a general practice doc takes 3 to 6 months of wait time (if you're lucky). Also, I'm queer. If The U.S. did have broad public healthcare, it would instantly be weaponized against all LGBTQ+ folks.

Tldl, in the States it's mostly about keeping the middle class terrified of losing their jobs, and ensuring there are working-poor people to sneer at.

Won’t you think of the poor healthcare execs? How will they afford their home in Aspen???

I got major surgery in Canada. I took out my wallet to show them photoID. Then I put it away.

My entire, full bill for surgery? I paid for parking.

I know people in AZ and southern California who do the same thing but to Mexico

In the US you'd have a 4 to 6 hour wait, $3000 to hospital for using the ER, $2000 for the doctor, and if there were scans and such a $$$$$ for using them! Oh also they will take months to bill you but also send it to debt collectors if you don't pay it for a month so then all of your personal data is sold and you get harassed to pay your debt!

I've seen a couple references to this. How serious is the discussion down there?

Size-wise, California would basically be a second Canada if it was independent. For that reason, I doubt we would jump at it (although I'd support it). There's the whole 1860's precedent that you aren't allowed leaving, though.

I wonder if they could convince Oregon and Washington to go with them. We could have a friendly American border again.

The owners of the media support Trump. When this shit is all over the oligarchs need to be in jail and their wealth given back to the people.