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[–] Remember_the_tooth@lemmy.world 90 points 5 months ago (1 children)

This prompts the question, "Are vampires repelled by all alliums or just garlic?" I feel like the answer to this question could advance antivampire defense technology significantly. To get started, I'll just need $10M and as many vampires as I can get. DM me for details.

Side note: I love The Other End comics.

[–] Rusty@lemmy.ca 32 points 5 months ago (2 children)

That's a good question. And if it's only garlic, does wild garlic (Allium ursinum) count? It tastes very similar to real garlic (Allium sativum)

[–] Remember_the_tooth@lemmy.world 19 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I'd assume it follows the same pattern in the relationship between wild and cultivated species/cultivars, with the wild species being smaller and less potent in the desired characteristics. I can see you're a much-learned person in this field of study, and I encourage you to apply for a position once we get the funding.

[–] Aqarius@lemmy.world 8 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Are you suggesting that one of the traits bred into domesticated garlic was vampire repelling?

[–] Remember_the_tooth@lemmy.world 7 points 5 months ago (3 children)

The people who who domesticated garlic were not killed by vampires, yes?

[–] Aqarius@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Would that then mean that growing garlic is an evolutionary adaptation of humans to the pressure of vampirism?

Would that then imply Italy has a significantly higher number of vampires than normal?

[–] Remember_the_tooth@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Not being a doctor of botanoanthropovampirology, it's hard for me to say. A cursory search suggests garlic traveled along population centers as they developed throughout history. This makes sense as vampires would find it both easier to hide and feed. I suspect Romans first acquired garlic to address the vampire problem, but it's now a vestigial phenomenon in Italian cuisine inherited from the Romans. It would be interesting to compile a list of cities by population density and filter out the ones that commonly use a lot of garlic. The remaining cities should be the most vampire-infested, if my theory is correct. Subsequently, the minority that commonly uses garlic in those cities should proliferate along with their garlic, leading to a garlic-rich new culinary culture.

History of Garlic

[–] lime@feddit.nu 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

are you suggesting garlic migrates?

[–] Remember_the_tooth@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Not at all. They could be carried.

[–] lime@feddit.nu 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)
[–] Remember_the_tooth@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

If carried by a swallow, it could grip it by the husk.

[–] lime@feddit.nu 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

not much call for protection from vampires around swallows, i'd think

[–] Remember_the_tooth@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Vampire bats.

Also, I was referencing the coconut scene from Monty Python:

SOLDIER: Are you suggesting coconuts migrate?

ARTHUR: Not at all. They could be carried.

SOLDIER: What? A swallow carrying a coconut?

ARTHUR: It could grip it by the husk…

SOLDIER: It’s not a question of where he grips it it’s a simple question of weight ratios. A five-ounce bird could not carry a one-pound coconut.

ARTHUR: Well, it doesn’t matter. Will you go and tell your master that Arthur from the Court of Camelot is here.

A slight pause. Swirling mist. Silence.

SOLDIER: Listen, in order to maintain air speed velocity, a swallow needs to beat its wings forty-three times every second. Right?

ARTHUR: (irritated) Please!

SOLDIER: Am I right?

ARTHUR: I’m not interested.

SECOND SOLDIER: (who has loomed up on the battlements) It could be carried by an African swallow!

FIRST SOLDIER: Oh, yes! An African swallow maybe…but not an European swallow. That’s my point.

SECOND SOLDIER: Oh, yes, I agree with that…

ARTHUR: (losing patience) Will you ask your master if he wants to join my court in Camelot?!

FIRST SOLDIER: But then of course African swallows are non-migratory.

SECOND SOLIDER: Oh, yes.

ARTHUR raises his eyes heavenward’s and nods to PATSY. They turn and go off into the mist.

FIRST SOLDIER: So they couldn’t bring a coconut back anyway.

SECOND SOLIDER: Wait a minute! Supposing two swallows carried it together?

FIRST SOLDIER: No, they’d have to have it on a line.

SECOND SOLDIER: Well simple - they just use a strand of creeper…

FIRST SOLDIER: What, held under the dorsal guiding feathers?

SECOND SOLDIER: Why not?

[–] lime@feddit.nu 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

i'm aware, but we've already established that it wasn't swallows.

[–] Remember_the_tooth@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Fair enough. I still feel like vampire bats might be a threat. Also, we don't know what reservoirs harbor vampirism. Perhaps sparrows are carriers.

[–] lime@feddit.nu 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

how would sparrows transfer vampirism without teeth?

[–] Remember_the_tooth@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

They wouldn't directly. They'd have to be bitten by something else that acquires vampirism from them and transfers it to another host, like malaria.

[–] lime@feddit.nu 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)
[–] Remember_the_tooth@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, I think that's how reservoirs work, but I'm not a public health expert.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_reservoir

[–] lime@feddit.nu 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

imagine having to explain at the vampires anonymous meeting that you got it by cleaning out your bird feeder.

[–] Remember_the_tooth@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I think you'd have to at least have an open wound and come into contact with fresh blood since it's a bloodborn pathogen.

[–] lime@feddit.nu 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

...do we know that? maybe vampires just have really bad dental hygiene

[–] Remember_the_tooth@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I think vampirism being a bloodborn pathogen is the consensus.

[–] lime@feddit.nu 2 points 5 months ago (2 children)

could be a fungal infection

[–] Remember_the_tooth@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago

Maybe. Further study is definitely needed.

[–] Remember_the_tooth@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, as long as it's bloodborn.

[–] lime@feddit.nu 1 points 5 months ago

well if it's fungal it could have other methods of transmission that aren't documented due to lack of study. like you know how brazil nut allergy can be triggered through fluid exchange

[–] Vandals_handle@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

If based on per capita consumption, China has the most vampires.

[–] Aqarius@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

...And the omnipresence of garlic in Chinese cuisine would also be what drove jiangshi to develop garlic immunity, makes sense.

[–] Vandals_handle@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago

TIL about jiangshi. Thanks.

[–] Vandals_handle@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Vampires domesticated garlic and started a rumor that it repelled vampires. Tricked humans into pre-seasoning the vampires food.

[–] Remember_the_tooth@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago

This is headcannon now.

[–] FooBarrington@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago

People used to think it works like this, but it's actually even more fascinating!

The vampires could still kill some people who domesticated garlic, but only those whose garlic was weak. This introduced evolutionary pressure, or in other words: by accident, they selected for stronger garlic.

It's like when you take antibiotics and stop too soon, leaving only the most resistant bacteria alive.

[–] Dicska@lemmy.world 7 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Allium ursinum

So THAT'S why it's called bear onion (bear garlic) in my language!

[–] jol@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

It's possibly the other way around.

[–] Nougat@fedia.io 10 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Stamets2

Oh god not another one

[–] LemmyFeed@lemmy.world 8 points 5 months ago (1 children)
[–] Stamets@lemmy.world -2 points 5 months ago

I'm controversial to an extent.