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[–] casmael@lemm.ee 33 points 1 day ago (7 children)

If it makes anyone feel any better, I’m pretty sure the election was very effectively rigged. So I think it’s by far and away most likely that a large majority of voters did not, in fact, vote for this.

[–] RamenJunkie@midwest.social 4 points 5 hours ago

I really do not want to go down that path.

But also, weren't there several bomb threats at voting facilities? Did everyone evacuate? Who was watching the machines?

[–] Nougat@fedia.io 33 points 1 day ago (1 children)

That’s because many of them chose to stay home. That’s also a choice.

[–] stebo02@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 1 day ago (9 children)

not always, since for some stupid reason election day is on a Tuesday in America, some people simply are unable to vote

[–] idiomaddict@lemmy.world 16 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Plus all of the other, more active forms of voter suppression, like banning felons from voting, surprise deregistrations, sending absentee ballots out late, and requiring people to wait multiple hours while forbidding people from giving them food or water.

[–] stebo02@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Especially the deregistrations are wild to me. Where I live you don't even have to register for elections. If they know you exist, you automatically get an invitation by mail and even if you didn't get it/lost it, you can go to your town hall and ask for one (of course only in the town where you officially live).

[–] tdawg@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago

systemic solutions for systemic problems

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[–] iegod@lemm.ee 8 points 1 day ago

Abstinence demonstrates a lack of critical thought. They chose this path. They are complicit.

[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago (3 children)

We should probably spend years whining and crying about stolen elections like cuntservatives did. Worked for them.

[–] laurelraven@lemmy.zip 2 points 6 hours ago

I dunno, it looks like it did ultimately work for them

[–] Szyler@lemmy.world 1 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

That would just be continuing the false claims, just to achieve a result, but that false claim will then just continue with no end.

A short sighted strategy, unfortunately

[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

Yeah, but the reality is Americans are profoundly stupid and you have to lie to them to get votes.

This is our society. I'm just reacting to it.

[–] chaogomu@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago

The violent insurrection with no punishment afterward seems like a fun time.

[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Not enough questions were asked about Elon's involvement in this.

[–] sigmaklimgrindset@sopuli.xyz 9 points 1 day ago

Elon doesn't even have to be involved, is everyone forgetting the news of mail-in ballot boxes being trashed and vandalized days before the count? How many of those people actually got to recast their ballots?

[–] Opinionhaver@feddit.uk 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Sowing distrust on the election system is exactly what Trump wants.

[–] ThatWeirdGuy1001@lemmy.world 3 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago)

Except it's the party of projection. Every accusation is a confession with them. Then claiming vote fraud during the last election is the main reason I think they tried to cheat. They accused the other side of cheating because how could they possibly lose otherwise when they were cheating.

Also the fact that all concerns about election fraud disappeared this election. Do they suddenly not think it's rigged anymore?

[–] stebo02@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

you have become the very thing you swore to destroy

[–] MutilationWave@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I'm not saying it's definitely true but this is pretty convincing. The author lists their credentials at the end of the article.

Here's a preview- a shit ton of mail-in ballots were disqualified. If you are black your mail-in ballot was nine times more likely to be trashed than a white person's.

[–] stebo02@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

yeah I'm pretty sure that if america was actually democratic, meaning every citizen is able to vote, the republican party wouldn't even exist anymore, since only privileged fuckheads vote for them

[–] MutilationWave@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

All we would have to do is eliminate the electoral college and they'd never win another presidency. Yeah Trump won popular vote this time by 1.5% but the electoral college keeps people from voting.

And really a lot of poor white people vote for Republicans too, against their best interest, for very sad reasons.

But yes you are correct if this were a real democracy they wouldn't stand a chance.

[–] Szyler@lemmy.world 2 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

The National Popular Vote Interstate Compact! https://youtu.be/tUX-frlNBJY

[–] MutilationWave@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

I'm aware and I fully support it. I'm afraid we have more pressing issues now but I hope some people click your link.

[–] ArbitraryValue@sh.itjust.works 24 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Imagine how Jimmy Carter felt. He wanted to live long enough to vote...

[–] aeronmelon@lemmy.world 25 points 1 day ago

“Well, this is going to be bad… for everyone else! JIMMY OUT!!” flatlines

[–] shplane@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

If I was his family, I’d tell him Harris won by a single vote. Guy was already on his deathbed and would never know. Let him go out on a high note

[–] Cenzorrll@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

Nah, I'm down for a vengeful Carter ghost.

[–] samus12345@lemm.ee 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Humanity as individuals - largely good

Humanity in tribes - horrendous monsters

[–] edgemaster72@lemmy.world 5 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago)

I can't find the quote but it was something about a person can be good, people on the otherhand are loud, annoying, and panicky. Or something to that effect.

Found it, it's from Men in Black: "A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals"

[–] GooberEar@lemmy.wtf 2 points 21 hours ago

I wish I could say the same. Unfortunately, I'm going through things now and I suppose it's my own fault for expecting enough of us to be better that it all evens out in the end.

[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (3 children)

For humanity's entire existence a very small percentage of actually intelligent people have carried the rest.

Humanity, as a whole, is a dumpster fire. If the universe trended toward good we'd have an asteroid with our name on it very soon.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 11 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

a very small percentage of actually intelligent people have carried the rest

That's both historically and empirically obviously untrue. The sheer volume of professional labor necessary for our society to function smoothly requires legions of intelligent people showing up every day to solve problems particular to their rarefied areas of expertise. Your cell phone doesn't work, your car doesn't start, your pipes don't carry water, your lights don't turn on - hell, in more than a few cases your heart doesn't even beat - without these armies of professionals working, often entirely invisibly, to keep things moving.

The world does not turn without the strong arm of proletariat labor moving the wheel.

But individual intelligence isn't enough on its own merits. Humanity needs a guiding light to function morally and productively. The professionals down at the power plant keeping the lights on don't know if they're powering your dishwasher or your electric chair. Their genius is wasted if the surplus they produce is squandered or applied with malicious intent. Attributing their actions to stupidity is naive, as you're ignoring their professional role in order to indict them for actions they have little meaningful control over. Appealing for their collective punishment only plays into the wickedness that you claim to oppose.

What we have in our modern moment is a very small percentage of nefarious people controlling our means of communication and observation. Monopolies of print and broadcast media limit what we are allowed to observe. Reams of propaganda, distributed physically and electronically, pollute our ability to understand the material world. Rational impulses are distorted by fearmongering. Prudent decision making is complicated by deceit and fraud. Our homes are enclosed, our labor is commodified, and our ability to organize against it is criminalized thanks to the actions of the few in an effort to predate on the many.

Believing that we lack a critical mass of "smart" people is a huge mistake, because it demands too much from singular human intelligence and too little from the social structures that perpetuate history, culture, and identity. What we lack in this moment isn't brilliance. We are thick with geniuses all competing against one another in a zero-sum game. What we lack is a cohesive and durable community. One that sees the virtue of charity and compassion. One that treats the most vulnerable as generously as the most valuable.

You don't need a genius to see the merits of a neighborhood full of people you can trust. You don't need to be a genius in order to survive a world where you love your neighbors more than you fear them.

[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 1 points 14 minutes ago

I'm not talking about people going to work and doing their jobs. I'm talking about the truly intelligent that figure out new solutions to problems. That invent new methods.

The point I'm making is that most humans throughout history have not been particularly intelligent. We see examples of this all around us, all the time. It's a small percentage of truly intelligent individuals that have pushed us forward so we're not just a bunch of hardworking hunter gatherers.

What we have in our modern moment is a very small percentage of nefarious people

A majority of voting Americans just voted for a felon rapist who illegally attempted to overturn an election. Add a TON of people so unintelligent they didn't even exercise their right to vote. That's not a small percentage. That's a significant percentage of nefarious/ignorant humans. Those people don't get a pass because some bad actors are spreading misinformation. I received a public education and I'm not ignorant enough to fall for propaganda. Resisting propaganda is an individual's responsibility. Especially now that all human knowledge is freely available. Ignorance isn't an excuse anymore.

[–] SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 22 hours ago

we’d have an asteroid with our name on it very soon

Good news

[–] tetris11@lemmy.ml 2 points 22 hours ago

Humanity's existence is a pyramid. Without that base of suffering at the bottom, none of what goes on at the top is possible.

[–] arin@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago (14 children)

Humanity doesn't innately have capitalism, at least not the majority.

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[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 3 points 23 hours ago

A couple of assholes get their hands on a significant modicum of power and begin exercising asshole-ishness to the Nth degree

Damn, this is definitely a problem with all humans equally.

I am very smart.

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