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[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 hour ago

What annoys me is that people are buying the idea that BlueSky is federated.

Not only is it not federated, the very architecture they designed means that it's probably not federateable, at least not by normal users.

The way they designed it, a relay is required to collect and forward every single BlueSky post. That means, as the service grows, it becomes more and more impossible for anybody but a company to run a relay. Someone did some calculations back in November when it was a significantly smaller network, and they calculated that at a minimum it costs a few hundred dollars, possibly as much as 1000 bucks a month just to handle the disk storage needs for a relay on a leased server. The more the network grows, the more those costs skyrocket.

What good does it do to have a network that theoretically can be federated, but practically costs so much to run a single node that nobody except a for-profit company can manage it?

[–] noctivius@lemm.ee 6 points 2 hours ago (4 children)

another trash platform its just matter of a time, use mastodon and fediverse to don't migrate again in few years

[–] stephen01king@lemmy.zip 6 points 2 hours ago

And how many users does Mastodon have?

This is the saddest, most insular cope I've read all day.

[–] Internetexplorer@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

Does it have anything to do with crypto and decentralisation? I heard it did but it doesn't seem like it does at all. Disappointing

[–] jetsetdorito@lemm.ee 1 points 2 hours ago

Federation is too confusing for the average bear. the success of bsky is the best thing for getting people off twitter

[–] Mac@mander.xyz 1 points 2 hours ago

Try hosting your own instance and sorting through the content of 30m people for the one post you want. lol

[–] thatradomguy@lemmy.world 25 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Whenever I see how they keep getting brought up, I'm always reminded of that Dilbert ep about how people just fall for blue logos that are easy on the eyes. They don't even have to know what it is... just the fact that the stupid logo is blue is enough. lol

[–] oo1@lemmings.world 1 points 1 hour ago

Can I get the icon in cornflower blue? https://youtu.be/4NomQYQK1bE

[–] OmegaLemmy@discuss.online 42 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

Mastodon has around 1 million active users³ Bluesky has around 3.5 million active users²

Bluesky doesn't have a decent way to see active user count, but it is likely higher than 3 million

Mastodon retains 10%, Bluesky retains 10% also, but I can't confirm it

Edit: Using unique likes, it shows about 2 million active users on each day¹

Source:

Bsky Analytics¹ • Bsky Stats² • Mastodon Analytics³

[–] Peffse@lemmy.world 126 points 13 hours ago (24 children)

I looked at the terms of service and noticed that they bind you into arbitration, limit your terms to $100, mandate you to travel to Delaware for dispute, and force you into mass arbitration if your dispute is similar to others.

Pass

[–] Serinus@lemmy.world 16 points 8 hours ago

While I understand that, I'm in America. My first priority has to be getting people off of Twitter.

Would I prefer open source, non-profit software? 100%. It's the smarter and better choice for so many reasons.

But if Bluesky is going to gain critical mass, I'm not going to fight it. I'm having a hard enough time getting people off Twitter. I've written the media address of environments I'm familiar with asking them to organize a move, and I mentioned both Bluesky and Mastodon.

[–] BlindFrog@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago
[–] Ulrich@feddit.org 31 points 11 hours ago (3 children)

Unfortunately that's standard for pretty much every service in existence until the government determines otherwise or the users demand it en masse. No company is going to willingly expose themselves to any more risk than they absolutely have to. There's zero benefit to them.

[–] Serinus@lemmy.world 6 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

And we should just accept that?

[–] Ulrich@feddit.org 6 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Doesn't matter if you should or not. Point is you accept it or you don't use any service whatsoever.

[–] Serinus@lemmy.world 3 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Looks like there's a viable alternative here.

[–] Ulrich@feddit.org 4 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Really? Who are you going to sue here? And how much money do you think you can sue them for?

[–] Serinus@lemmy.world 2 points 5 hours ago

Oh no, there's no money or profit motive here. I guess that's terrible.

I don't think forced arbitration has really been tried in court. I remember Disney kind of trying, but it was completely unrelated (e.g. argued that arbitration agreement from Disney+ applied to issues on physical Disney properties).

In order to hold up in court, the contract needs to reasonably benefit both parties instead of only the contract issuer. So there's a very good chance a court will dismiss the forced arbitration clause, especially if it's just in a EULA and not a bidirectional contract negotiation.

That said, I tend to avoid services with binding arbitration statements in their EULA, and if I can't, I avoid companies that force acceptance of EULA changes to continue use of the service.

[–] tabular@lemmy.world 14 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

Let's not call disabling the right to sue a "business risk". That's like calling the right to stop paying for the service a "risk" - it's riskdiculous.

[–] Elgenzay@lemmy.ml 6 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

By "business risk", they just mean bad for the business, ethics aside

[–] tabular@lemmy.world 1 points 47 minutes ago

Yes that's what they mean. I tried to persuade against meaning that.

[–] Ulrich@feddit.org 10 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

Let's not call disabling the right to sue a "business risk".

...and why not?

That's like calling the right to stop paying for the service a "risk"

But...that's what it is? I promise if they could remove that risk with a few words in the TOS, and it was legal, they'd all be doing that too.

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[–] Nima@leminal.space 53 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Nice. Glad to see people leaving xitter en mass.

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 3 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

I feel like we're going to have a similar issue a couple of years or decades down the line with Bluesky. People would be better off on the Fediverse instead.

[–] stephen01king@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 hours ago

And that's fine. What the exodus to Bluesky is doing is making it easier for people to stomach switching to similar platforms, so if Bluesky also went to shit, the inertia is much lower for people to abandon it.

[–] llii@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 4 hours ago

No, this time will be different, I swear!

[–] drspod@lemmy.ml 43 points 12 hours ago (3 children)

Another corporate social media platform, what could go wrong?

[–] prex@aussie.zone 3 points 3 hours ago

It is less than ideal.
I only hope that it gets people used to the idea that you can leave a platform and the sky wont fall down. Sooner or later these guys will try a federated service and learn that protocols > platforms (in this case activitypub).

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[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 30 points 12 hours ago

Love an app that defaults me to people I actually follow and doesn't bombard me with endless reams of ads or engagement bait.

We'll see how long that lasts. But for now, its a blast from the past to be on a social media app I don't hate.

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