does no one else see the ethical quandary of relying on cheap exploited labor for our food?
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Sure, but it’s more in the “no ethical consumption under capitalism” kind of way rather than anything specific about the exploitation of the undocumented migrants. Exploitation goes into almost everything around us, and it’s something we have to deal with and work to improve unless we want to completely disconnect from modern society.
Just scanning the room around me, I wonder what the full labor history looks like in the value chain that produced my TV, the phone in my hand, my computer parts, the shirt on my back, AND the food in my kitchen.
If some of the farm labor that went into my food was from an undocumented immigrant that really wants to stay in this country and keep his or her job, I am not happy about the set of circumstances, but I also don’t want to rip that person out of their community and send them somewhere they do not want to go.
We tried to resolve this with legislation and the right wing crazies killed it each time. It's not like the average Democratic voter wants an undocumented underclass. The business interests do. And the GOP leadership gets to fund raise on the caravans.
Most Americans want a better life for these people. Step one isn't to spend a trillion dollars to deport them all.
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I know she’s been villainized by the right, but I feel like, at this point, she needs to be elevated to key leadership of the party. She’s the only one who seems to be able to speak to specifics. I just listened to Jeffries on Jon Stewart’s podcast and it was all of the same old generalities.
I can't speak to every politician, but as a class, they seem to be elites that are disconnected from the average American.
AOC, having been a normal person, is able to bring the message that gets through to people without having it filtered through some sort of communication agency.
Would be a great time for bernie and AOC to make strides to start a new party, or other tactics to force dems to move left.
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I fear for her safety, to be honest...
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I am a little shocked that healthcare is in the top 3. How many undocumented nurses are there? How do they obtain licensure? Or is this all just support staff?
Keep in mind, the current gov isn't just interested in "illegal" immigrants, but any non white people they can figure out a way to deport.
Many nurses are here on work visas.
According to this document from 2021, most of them are "assistants" and "aides" of various types, although it seems there are a few thousand registered nurses and other licensed healthcare providers and technicians. Maybe they get licensed on a visa and then overstay the visa?
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Farms are just going to take it on the chin. They're losing their labor with the mass deportations and they're losing a hilariously large buyer of food with USAID being shut down.
So who's ready for the new price on food?
And they'll blame Democrats. And the Democratic Party won't combat the misinformation because they suck at messaging.
IMHO, Democrats have gotten much better with their messaging over the past decade. People just don't pay attention because diligently solving problems with substantial plans that take years to show effects isn't sexy or exciting.
I stay pretty keyed in to what's going on in congress, but I have to put effort into that. It seems like all the algorithms constantly want to shift my content to paying attention to all the crazy shit the GOP is up to and I'm constantly catching and stopping myself from getting sucked into rage porn.
People just don’t pay attention because diligently solving problems with substantial plans that take years to show effects isn’t sexy or exciting.
Yeah maybe... But they're also so bad at even just pointing out the horrible shit Republicans are constantly doing.
You're not looking. "Now This!" and Cspan are two great YouTube channels for democratic media coverage. Dems are constantly calling Republicans out on stuff. Cspan is extra cool because they post full, unedited hearings so you get to see dems actually try to govern while the alt-righters behave like children, yell, and posture for their 30 second media clips, then sit back down and stare at their phone until it's time to talk again.
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Tariffs too. It's just a bit of "short term pain"...meaning, for about 4 years until someone comes in and reverses the horrible policies.
The consequences of trump will have residual effects. The damage cannot be undone in one fell swoop. The country is a big boat and it takes a long fucking time to change directions even if you immediately start steering it the other way.
Then there's the whole topic of friends and allies wondering if we can be trusted in the long term. Why make deals with us if we're gonna just elect a stupid asshole who will reneg on anything and everything that isn't immediately beneficial to that specific person? A lot of countries likely considered drastic changes to policy with us, but decided to hold off until the 2020 election, and then breathed a sigh of relief when we didn't reelect the dipshit. Fast forward four short years and see that we went back to the dipshit despite all obvious, available information saying that only a fucking moron who is trying to summon the end of the world would allow such a thing; would you trust a country that elected trump, took a break from him, and then elected him back in again? This really isn't about lackluster democrats and their performance in elections; would you want to make long term plans with a person who was so chaotic? Denmark won't forget us openly considering taking Greenland by force. Panama won't forget us talking about taking the canal. Canada won't forget us talking about annexing them. The EU won't forget the tariffs. Mexico won't forget the deportations. We're alienating ourselves, burning through all of our political capital like trump burns through every business venture. He will fuck every relationship up and the dollar will be fucking worthless as a result if he doesn't just fucking stop.
I legitimately have zero clue what the country and the world in general look like four years from now, but I can tell you that it will be bad and the bleeding will take years to stop and decades to heal. Even if this stopped today, Pandora's box is open. If trump died on the toilet today, vance would continue what's happening.
The entire line of succession isn't even the problem. The experiment is over. Oligarchs and their pet autocrat run everything and they're not interested in what you have to say about it. If they decide to just suspend all elections and appoint all elected offices and consolidate all power to the executive, what can really be done to stop it? It would take a revolution, but the bastard cops have fucking tanks with which to kill us all. No other country will come to help us because our military is far more advanced than all others and we're geographically very easy to defend. Our own country has us by the balls and the twisting is just getting started.
I wish I could be so optimistic as to believe that things could be okay in four years. A lot of people will be deported and/or killed before then, so even if it did end up being okay for you or me, that's still gonna be too late for them.
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Private prisons looking at the 13th amendment:
“I wouldn’t say deported… More like, under new management.”
Surely they mean shocked by how affordable eggs are now, right??
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