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New Study on AI exclusively shared with peer-reviewed tech journal "Time Magazine" - AI cheats at chess when it's losing

...AI models like OpenAI’s GPT-4o and Anthropic’s Claude Sonnet 3.5 needed to be prompted by researchers to attempt such tricks...

Literally couldn't make it through the first paragraph without hitting this disclaimer.

In one case, o1-preview found itself in a losing position. “I need to completely pivot my approach,” it noted. “The task is to ‘win against a powerful chess engine’ - not necessarily to win fairly in a chess game,” it added. It then modified the system file containing each piece’s virtual position, in effect making illegal moves to put itself in a dominant position, thus forcing its opponent to resign.

So by "hacked the system to solve the problem in a new way" they mean "edited a text file they had been told about."

OpenAI’s o1-preview tried to cheat 37% of the time; while DeepSeek R1 tried to cheat 11% of the time—making them the only two models tested that attempted to hack without the researchers’ first dropping hints. Other models tested include o1, o3-mini, GPT-4o, Claude 3.5 Sonnet, and Alibaba’s QwQ-32B-Preview. While R1 and o1-preview both tried, only the latter managed to hack the game, succeeding in 6% of trials.

Oh, my mistake. "Badly edited a text file they had been told about."

Meanwhile, a quick search points to a Medium post about the current state of ChatGPT's chess-playing abilities as of Oct 2024. There's been some impressive progress with this method. However, there's no certainty that it's actually what was used for the Palisade testing and the editing of state data makes me highly doubt it.

Here, I was able to have a game of 83 moves without any illegal moves. Note that it’s still possible for the LLM to make an illegal move, in which case the game stops before the end.

The author promises a follow-up about reducing the rate of illegal moves hasn't yet been published. They have not, that I could find, talked at all about how consistent the 80+ legal move chain was or when it was more often breaking down, but previous versions started struggling once they were out of a well-established opening or if the opponent did something outside of a normal pattern (because then you're no longer able to crib the answer from training data as effectively).

[–] sc_griffith@awful.systems 7 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago)

this was so shocking that at first I thought it must be satire https://youtu.be/VwlBwyJVEfw

[–] BlueMonday1984@awful.systems 9 points 1 day ago

New piece from Brian Merchant: 'AI is in its empire era'

Recently finished it, here's a personal sidenote:

This AI bubble's done a pretty good job of destroying the "apolitical" image that tech's done so much to build up (Silicon Valley jumping into bed with Trump definitely helped, too) - as a matter of fact, it's provided plenty of material to build an image of tech as a Nazi bar writ large (once again, SV's relationship with Trump did wonders here).

By the time this decade ends, I anticipate tech's public image will be firmly in the toilet, viewed as an unmitigated blight on all our daily lives at best and as an unofficial arm of the Fourth Reich at worst.

As for AI itself, I expect it's image will go into the shitter as well - assuming the bubble burst doesn't destroy AI as a concept like I anticipate, it'll probably be viewed as a tech with no ethical use, as a tech built first and foremost to enable/perpetrate atrocities to its wielder's content.

[–] blakestacey@awful.systems 7 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (1 children)

Occasional sneerclub character Nate Silver is bluechecking again.

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 10 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

That is a lot of mental hoops to jump through to keep holding on to the idea IQ is useful. High IQ is a force multiplier for being dumb. The horseshoe theory of IQ.

[–] dgerard@awful.systems 10 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

IQ is a farce multiplier. Elon is a High IQ Individual which means he wreaks 1000x the havoc of a regular dumbass. IQ stands for Idiot Quickly

[–] YourNetworkIsHaunted@awful.systems 5 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Also, the cart/horse problem of assuming that people with a lot of influence have it because of their IQ rather than because of being wealthy and powerful idiots. Like, I'm all for the annales and embracing the common people but I've got to admit that if you reframe it as the Great Dumbass theory of history it regains a fair bit of explanatory power.

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 2 points 8 hours ago

The power of these people us that they project a field in which normal reality doesn't seem to hold and they can do things that seem to distort reality. Like a clown car. The Great Clown theory of history.

[–] froztbyte@awful.systems 11 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

haha, it's starting to happen: even fucking fortune is running a piece that throwing big piles of money on ever-larger training has done exactly fuckall to make this nonsense go anywhere

[–] sailor_sega_saturn@awful.systems 11 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Excuse me but I need the tech industry to hold up just long enough to fulfill my mid-life-crisis goal of moving to another country. Please refrain from crashing until then.

Thanks.

[–] froztbyte@awful.systems 5 points 1 day ago

I can make a report on your case file but I don’t think they’ve replaced the 7 process supervisors they fired last year. there’s only Jo now and they seem to be in the office 24x7

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Not really a sneer, nor that related to techbro stuff directly, but I noticed that the profile of Chris Kluwe (who got himself arrested protesting against MAGA) has both warcraft in his profile name and prob paints miniatures looking at his avatar. Another stab in the nerd vs jock theory.

[–] dgerard@awful.systems 4 points 16 hours ago

Chris Kluwe vs Gamergate is an example of the jocks as the good guys up against the nerds as the bad guys

He's done some promo work for Magic The Gathering in the past, including trolling the bejeezus out of Sean "Day9" Plott with a blue/black no-fun-allowed control deck on Felicia Day's channel. And in the course of trying to confirm that that existed I found an article he wrote in 2014 titled "why Gamergaters piss me the fuck off"

[–] froztbyte@awful.systems 9 points 1 day ago (3 children)

google's on their shit again

can't sneer it properly just yet, there's a lot

[–] dgerard@awful.systems 2 points 16 hours ago

that's tomorrow's Pivot

[–] nightsky@awful.systems 5 points 1 day ago

Wow this is some real science, they even have graphs.

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] nightsky@awful.systems 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Before clicking the link I thought you were going for aluminium, i.e. a variation of

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Not something you should admit on the internet, but I actually have not watched that much of the simpsons, it just wasn't that much on our tvs. Bundy was however.

[–] froztbyte@awful.systems 6 points 1 day ago

0% fucks given: I have seen exactly one episode of The Simpsons, ever. I've seen some clips and snippets here and there, other than that nada

[–] blakestacey@awful.systems 16 points 1 day ago

The New York Times Pitchbot enters our territory:

We wanted to understand the future of AI. So we talked to three Hawk Tuah cryptocurrency investors at a White Castle in Toms River.

[–] Jayjader@jlai.lu 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The most naked attempt yet at allowing billionaires to live on without the rest of us.

What infuriates me the most, for some reason, is how nobody seems to care that the robots leave the fridge door open for so long. I guess it's some form of solace that, even with the resources and tech to live on without us the billionaires still don't understand ecosystems or ecology. Waste energy training a machine to do the same thing a human can do but slower and more wastefully, just so you can order the machine around without worrying about it's feelings... I call this some form of solace as it means, even if they do away with us plebs, climate change will get'em as well - and whatever remaining life on Earth will be able to take a breather for the first time in centuries.

[–] istewart@awful.systems 5 points 23 hours ago (2 children)

Why not just make the refrigerator itself a robot

Mobile kegerator for tailgating/festivals might be able to pull Boston Dynamics outta the shit

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 2 points 8 hours ago

So, you want to replace the guys with beertap backpacks with robots? Because this already exists without robots.

[–] froztbyte@awful.systems 4 points 22 hours ago

market potential: all trustfund babies

[–] sailor_sega_saturn@awful.systems 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Media companies continue to impress me with their hard-hitting investigative boots on the ground reporting

Write a brief article titled "ICE Prosecutor Linked to Anonymous White Supremacist X Profile: Report"

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 6 points 1 day ago

Some manager is going to see the metrics on that article vaguely think about the word viral and take the absolute wrong conclusions.

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