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[–] Showroom7561@lemmy.ca 3 points 13 minutes ago

As I've been making an effort to replace apps with the browser version of the service. It's so abundantly clear that companies don't want you using their website.

Even if they don't outright cripple functionality, they'll hound you endlessly to install the app.

It's infuriating to say the least.

[–] 01189998819991197253@infosec.pub 3 points 4 minutes ago

Phone apps are nothing more than modern toolbars. And in case you forgot or missed this phase of the internet...

[–] answersplease77@lemmy.world 9 points 1 hour ago

they make older phones become useless after ditching their support

[–] Sunshine@lemmy.ca 32 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

These useless apps make Linux phone adoption harder, fuck them!

[–] kittenzrulz123@lemmy.blahaj.zone 39 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

I use GraphineOS on my Pixel 7 and even I feel penalized for caring about my privacy. Its absolutely nonsense, not everything needs an app.

[–] DJDarren@sopuli.xyz 4 points 1 hour ago

Yeah. My bank is one of the few UK banks whose app won't work with Graphene, which is irritating. Also, the lack of Wallet access for payment cards is annoying.

But all in all everything else works fine.

[–] BigTrout75@lemmy.world 18 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Yep, the homeless pay more!

[–] andros_rex@lemmy.world 11 points 4 hours ago

Remember the meltdown over “Obamaphones”?

[–] SabinStargem@lemmings.world 21 points 5 hours ago

I am still on a flip phone. It is usually silent, and I don't spend much time with it at all. While I am missing out on discounts and such, I simply hate the idea of constantly using a phone. Email is my telecommunication of choice, but receptionists don't understand the idea, unfortunately.

My household bought a Rinnai water heater, and the bastard needed a phone to set the temperature. Thing is, it couldn't communicate with the two or three phones that were used on it. Fortunately, there was an old-school modification for a physical keypad, but that had to be bought separately.

Phones are just not my thing.

[–] Zak@lemmy.world 129 points 14 hours ago

Any time I'm required to use an app for something that could be a website, I leave the app a one star review.

[–] SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world 32 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (3 children)

Even if I was willing to download all of those apps I don't have room for them. They chew up 50-300mb each (why!?) and if I installed all of them I'd run out of memory. Since most phones now don't support memory expansion I have to be picky about which ones I use.

I have THREE separate parking apps because I travel.

[–] mPony@lemmy.world 3 points 48 minutes ago (1 children)

most phones now don’t support memory expansion

Well of course not. If phones supported memory expansion you would just buy more memory, instead of buying an entirely new phone Don't even get me started on how bloated these apps have become. I used Paperclip word processor on a Commodore-64; you can not convince me that your app needs to be 50+ Megs in size.

[–] 01189998819991197253@infosec.pub 1 points 7 minutes ago

You can't compare (what is arguably) the pique of human computing to modern phones.

...I miss the c64

[–] throwback3090@lemmy.nz 1 points 1 hour ago

Every app is a bundle of a full website and spyware.

[–] LodeMike 15 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

The reason they're so huge is

  1. They're generally not well optimized by the creators.
  2. They all contain their own dependencies
  3. There's a LOT of stuff in them (both code and dependencies). Which is kind of an optimization problem, but potato potato.
[–] kayazere@feddit.nl 17 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Mobile apps are also loaded with third party ad and spyware frameworks which bloats up the size.

[–] LodeMike 9 points 3 hours ago

Same thing with rendering/layout/functionality frameworks. And each app has their own.

My favorite Android app, Trail Sense, which has the ability to know when sunrise and sunset are without Internet, is like 10MB

[–] reksas@sopuli.xyz 62 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

also those who dont want to install that spyware shit on their phones. Even if you dont care about the data collection it still consumes battery faster as more and more data is being transferred

[–] Ibuthyr@lemmy.wtf 3 points 2 hours ago

Yeah, I couldn't be arsed to install that shit. I'm also not taking out my phone for this kind of bullshit. I'm sick and tired of smartphones.

[–] benjaminb@discuss.tchncs.de 16 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

McDonald’s (in Germany at least) needs your location to “see when you arrive at the restaurant”. What the hell?! That doesn’t even work properly and they force it on me! I uninstalled the app and now I am actually happy, because without the promotion and discount stuff, I don’t eat McDanks that often anymore.

[–] RisingSwell@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 hours ago

I use an app for OTR (petrol chain in Aus) and they've removed the requirement for location which is... Unexpected, to say the least. Anything except using the pumps on the app no longer needs it when all orders previously needed it.

[–] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 26 points 13 hours ago

That is what I noticed. Everything these days require app to get shopping vouchers, book tickets, go in to your local gym, pay in store (we are being weaned off from using cash) etc.

[–] ambitiousslab@lemmy.ml 45 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

This affects me a lot day to day. I have a phone, but it runs postmarketOS, not iOS or Android. It really shows me the importance of open standards. I feel that every business should be required to support open standards for each of the services they offer.

For me, buying train tickets used to be ok, but is getting harder now. Some train operators are really pushing you to use their app now, and getting rid of the option to download a PDF. It really frustrates me: it's not like it costs them more to offer PDF download - if anything, it's much cheaper to offer that functionality than to build and maintain an app for iOS and Android.

Back when I had an Android phone, I used Monzo, and it was so easy to send money to friends, set up standing orders etc. I wish they offered a proper web interface. Now, I use Natwest's online banking, and it's a real pain - I use the card reader to authenticate, then the website logs me out seemingly every 2 mins of inactivity. Some features, like pre-notifying that you'll be travelling abroad, are only available on the app. I only see this trend continuing.

The concert tickets example in the article is insane to me. I can't think of a use case that is better suited for PDFs, and that's what we've been doing for the last 10+ years without any issues. It really is user hostile and excludes people on the edges of society who don't fit, for whatever reason, with what the 80-90% do.

[–] LodeMike 3 points 3 hours ago

The reason venues don't allow PDFs is so that you're forced to use their own platform for resale where they take a commission.

[–] glitchdx@lemmy.world 46 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

apps allow user tracking and advertising though. Much more valuable to the corpos than a few lost customers.

[–] benjaminb@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

Also mich More valuable to Google, as they are the biggest Advertising company. I looked it up and according to this source they have ~70% of the pay-per-click market.

[–] yesman@lemmy.world 155 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

There should be a warning label on any establishment or product that requires a smartphone to use.

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 87 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (2 children)

How about this:

At the apartments I recently moved out of, there were no quarter slots on the washing machines. They were an app that required a bluetooth connection to pay.

So if you lived there and didn't have a smartphone? Go fuck yourself, you don't get to do laundry.

Unless you bothered to check the laundry room when you were looking at the apartment, you wouldn't know. No warnings.

[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 2 points 1 hour ago

quarter slots on the washing machines

Thank god they decided to keep these free where I live

[–] LodeMike 7 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

That...

Is that not illegal where you live?

[–] DarkSpectrum@lemmy.world 13 points 13 hours ago

Cloudalist's and their technofuedalism

[–] ladfrombrad@lemdro.id 77 points 17 hours ago (10 children)

I literally had to switch bank accounts because I couldn't reset my password "on the web" and required me to use Virgin Money's app.

Customer service agent(s) on the phone after prolonged discussions why their app wouldn't work on three Android phones right in front of me surfaced, and I shit you not

Well sir, I have my iPhone here and can login just fine maybe you should buy one of those instead

That day I found out about this

https://www.currentaccountswitch.co.uk/

[–] j4yt33@feddit.org 2 points 1 hour ago

Everything by Virgin is shit. I don't understand why they're so big

[–] TheBrideWoreCrimson@sopuli.xyz 2 points 3 hours ago

I also had to switch accounts because after an update, the banking app didn't work any longer on my rooted phone and I couldn't log in. Thankfully, I've been keeping two accounts since forever, with the main motivation being that banks really like changing their TOS and introducing all sorts of fees, which I don't want.

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[–] Xanthobilly@lemmy.world 49 points 16 hours ago

It’s also a gigantic information harvesting ploy.

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