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Trump just presided over one of the greatest diplomatic disasters in modern history, with flared tempers, raised voices, and shredded protocol.

Never before has a U.S. president bullied and berated an adversary, never mind an ally, in such a public way.

During a tense Oval Office meeting, Trump and JD Vance attacked Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy, demanding he accept a peace deal with Russia or lose U.S. support.

The conversation devolved into shouting, with Trump accusing Zelenskyy of being ungrateful and “gambling with World War III.”

The meeting ended in chaos, with no agreement reached.

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[–] SolidShake@lemmy.world 13 points 3 hours ago

remember you guys. peace day 1! trump never lies

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 14 points 3 hours ago

This is genuinely one of the stupidest things I've seen. We all are used the the bar getting lower and lower but lordy it just accelerated.

[–] Resonosity@lemmy.dbzer0.com 52 points 4 hours ago (2 children)

I'm ready to protest this shit. Tell me when and where to show up, my local big city or state capital. This is some bullshit. Trump and Vance are egotistical dickheads. Ukraine are our allies! Imagine George Washington doing this with Marquis de Lafayette, or FDR with Churchill!! Unspeakable!

[–] Bamboodpanda@lemmy.world 21 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Ukraine is a US ally. Trump is a Russian ally. Of course he would attack his adversary.

[–] torrentialgrain@lemm.ee 8 points 3 hours ago (3 children)

Bro have you been in a coma? The US is now taking the side of Russia, North Korea, Iran and China. Our alliances with the free west are dead.

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[–] alekwithak@lemmy.world 5 points 3 hours ago

Just show up, invite others, everyone is waiting for someone else to do something (present company included).

[–] troglodytis@lemmy.world 121 points 6 hours ago (8 children)

Why would any nation that does not have nukes not start making nukes right now?

The USA has shown over and over, it's the only thing we take seriously. We don't give a fuck until you have nukes. We don't care about treaties, alliances, deals. We only care if you can start the nuke wars. Anything else is just "how can we take advantage of you?"

Also .. World, I understand you're not reading this, but for the three of ya that do, boycott us. Tariff the shit out of us. You got this, and thanks for all the fish.

[–] irish_link@lemmy.world 37 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Unfortunately Ukraine was part of the Budapest Memorandum. With this they gave up their nuclear armament in an agreement that "prohibited Russia, the United States, the United Kingdom and France from threatening or using military force or economic coercion against Ukraine, Belarus, and Kazakhstan, "except in self-defence or otherwise in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations."

So they gave up their nukes with the agreement that they would be safe from these 4 groups. However that didn't do shit for them, thus a huge reason why any SeasFire would have to have some big security backing. As Russia has ignored all prior agreements.

[–] troglodytis@lemmy.world 11 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Exactly why the lesson any other non-nuclear armed country should learn is to get the nukes

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[–] HighFructoseLowStand@lemm.ee 26 points 4 hours ago (15 children)

As much as this makes me hate Donald Trump more than I already did, which was already more than I hate almost anyone, the really horrific thing is that a decent fraction of Americans will look at this and think Trump made the right decision, or at least a brave, or reasonable, decision.

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[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 67 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (2 children)

"Peace deal" means surrender now, don't join NATO, and get invaded again in a few years.

TBH idk how Zelenskyy thought things would go any differently.

[–] WorkshopBubby@lemmy.ca 53 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

I doubt he thought it would go differently. But he did an amazing job showing the world how utterly depraved Trump and Vance are. There can be no question now that they are Putin stooges. The United States lost the cold war, Putin won without firing a single bullet. It is out in the open.

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 11 points 3 hours ago

He probably fired quite a few bullets, but I get you.

[–] Modern_medicine_isnt@lemmy.world 22 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

So word is that the more the US mistreats Z, the more the European people like him, and want to support him. So this was probably a great outcome fir them. The deal offered was very one sided. Had Z just not taken it, people would blame him. But now, everyone knows who to blame.

[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 17 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (1 children)

I understand you mean Zelenskyy, but you are using Russian dog whistles, by referring to him as Z. Z = the Russian version of calling people Nazis because they opposed Putin.

Tagged, and watching to see who you are. Especially with that extremely sus UN.

[–] 46_and_2@lemmy.world 4 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (1 children)

Z = the Russian version of calling people Nazis because they opposed Putin.

This is the first time I hear that, do you have any source?

All I know about "Z" and Russia is they used it to mark some of their divisions early in the war, and it later became a rallying sign for them, for supporting that same war and Putin. So quite the favorable thing for them, even if it's used only in war propaganda.

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[–] LustyArgonianMana@lemmy.world 30 points 5 hours ago (5 children)

Wrote up a summary months ago (with reputable sources!) about this stuff, and was permabanned from Lemmy news and politics for it.

Idk man, you can tell people stuff, but it’s so hard for them to access what’s real right now. There’s a concerted online effort to suppress factual info.

https://lemmy.world/comment/13431373

[–] robbinhood@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

That sucks and permabans really shouldn't be a thing except in extreme causes of threatening to like harm/dox some one and stuff like that. Not seeing where you did anything to get banned at all, but especially not permabanned.

If Lemmy just ends up being another reddit that's going to suck so bad.

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[–] GiddyGap@lemm.ee 41 points 6 hours ago (4 children)

It's been a while since I've gone through a whole day being proud of my US citizenship. Today was one of the most shameful.

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[–] Ketchup@reddthat.com 99 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Finally a f**king actual headline. That was a disaster and a disgrace for all Americans. I can’t take these meek be “explosive White House meeting, where maybe Trump was possibly speaking angrily, but please Mr. Trump don’t sue us, if you disagree!”

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