How Did Anyone Beat This In The Arcade? : retrogaming

[–] xyzzy@lemm.ee 116 points 1 year ago (4 children)

The same way you beat any game in the 1980s and early '90s: lots of pattern memorization based on trial and error. In the arcade, that means lots of quarters.

Once a game like Dragon's Lair was memorized, you could play through the entire thing on only a couple quarters, to the astonishment of arcade bystanders.

Kids and teenagers had more time back then because smart phones and Instagram and YouTube didn't exist. People underestimate what a huge time sink those can be.

No one had Internet access. You could play a game, play an instrument, read a book, go to the mall and the arcade and maybe catch a movie, go outside, or watch whatever happened to be on the 3-4 network TV channels (or possibly cable if your family had the money). And TV back then was mostly terrible.

So if you had $10 in your pocket, that was an entire afternoon of entertainment at the arcade and movie theater.

[–] dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 33 points 1 year ago

If you had it down you could beat Dragon's Lair (and Space Ace, and the other Laserdisc games) with a single credit. IIRC there is no randomization within each scene; the only element of randomness was which out of a set of three scenes could play stemming from completing the previous scene. Once you've seen them all they always play out the same way. Further, each scene is only played once per complete game.

[–] Potatos_are_not_friends@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago

I grew up in that era.

I probably dedicated 1000 hours playing the same 4-5 NES games.

I remember playing the original Zelda with self-impose challenges like get hit and start over. I had so much time to kill.

[–] glimse@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Crazy to think that $10 in 1980 is $40 now

[–] altima_neo@lemmy.zip 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Back when people were making a buck or two an hour though

[–] jettrscga@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)

$3.10 minimum wage in 1980. Equivalent to ~$11.50 per hour today, higher than today's minimum wage.

[–] Telodzrum@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The effective minimum wage in 2019 was $11.80. It’s important to talk about these things in context, so we are better able to address the correct problem.

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[–] glimse@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Yeah I was just commenting on inflation in general

[–] Mantis_Toboggan@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

As a child in the 90s, I remember Saturday and Sunday afternoons being incredibly boring if we didn’t go out. TV was shit (still is), and on rainy afternoons you were basically locked at home.

By the late 90s, at age 10, with no internet access in my county, I was mapping ways to beat the Water Temple in Ocarina of Time. I remember scheming for hours, using Farore’s Wind to take me to the beginning of the dungeon and jumping to the platform on the 2nd floor. This way, I was not using the only key I had on the middle pillar, which is what almost everyone got stuck on.

But yeah, I remember the tail-end of this at that time and starting a whole new game to try this out. And it worked. Still proud of 10 year old me. It’s interesting but I hadn’t felt boredom in a really long time.

[–] wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee 70 points 1 year ago (6 children)

I grew up in that time frame. Normally people would swarm around the machine and give advice.

Arcades were very social when it came to certain games.

[–] Lifecoach5000@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago

Yep I remember specifically at the cade I went to growing up, their Dragon’s Lair machine had a 2nd screen on top of the cap so that the whole crowd could see the action. It was quite a site.

[–] WarmSoda@lemm.ee 13 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Hot games were awesome, they were like new events. Everyone gathering around giving advice and tall tales, trying to secure a spot to play, showing off and being excited when that one kid definitely knew what they were doing, it was a lot of fun.

For us I remember Mortal Kombat, NBA Jam, Blitz, and Tekken being the major ones. And then the lesser ones like Virtual Fighter, whatever racing game was new, and just because it was completely ridiculous the Aerosmith shooter where you shot discs at bad guys lol

[–] Maestro@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ridge Racer was awesome and just so much better than the other racing games at the time. Especially when you put the camera just a few inch from the asphalt.

[–] WarmSoda@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I still love rc pro am. Spinning that wheel is pure joy

[–] somethingsnappy@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

And now I will be browsing through 7000 retro games today.

[–] Usually_Lurker@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

RC Pro Am is the home Nintendo version.

Are you thinking of Super Sprint / Championship Sprint? That game had either 2 or 3 wheels on the cabinet. Every trip to the roller rink included a couple games of Super Sprint for me. Great Game!!!

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[–] thisbenzingring@lemmy.sdf.org 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

When the small grocery store in my area got Super Mario Brothers there were always 4 or 5 people queue'd up and playing it. That store was a basic grocery story but they did cater to youth with expendable change. Lots of the bulk candies; a few different kinds for 5c, better ones for 10c, good mini candies for 25c... etc

Before or after school, that place always had kids spending some change on something. Once the NES became a household item, that store changed dramatically

[–] altima_neo@lemmy.zip 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The corner convenience store had the magazines right across from the arcade machines. You'd okay a few rounds of street fighter or mortal Kombat, then sneak in a pork at the gaming mags before the clerk would complain.

[–] zombieshotgun@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Sneak in a what now

[–] synae@lemmynsfw.com 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

A four pound ham

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[–] DrakeRichards@lemmy.world 36 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It wasn’t that hard if you kept feeding it quarters. It took a lot of trial and error, but having infinite lives means it was eventually beatable.

[–] FoundTheVegan@kbin.social 23 points 1 year ago (2 children)

This is the real answer. Arcade games weren't made to be beaten, they are made to extract maximum quarters. Most of these games don't even have a real "ending", and why would the devs bother? They already got your money.

[–] dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago

It wasn't a case of "why bother," it was a case of evolution.

The original intent of arcade video games was to obtain a high score. You played until you died, and the game progressively got harder until you choked, or it hit some arbitrary limit of difficulty and went on forever, or in some infamous cases (Pacman) crashed. These video games were a conceptual extension of the arcade games that existed before: Pinball machines. Pinball games don't have an end state, you play indefinitely for a high score until you choke.

Arcade video games could have endings, and even though in the very early days they didn't: Crystal Castles was probably the first, in 1983. Even then, after reaching the "end" the game would loop so you could play it indefinitely until you died. Because that's how arcade games worked. A lot of games starting from the 1990's and beyond had endings of some description or another because they were in some way narrative based. In most cases (with the exception of some 1 on 1 fighters) you can still play another loop after the ending.

[–] TSG_Asmodeus@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

Arcade games weren’t made to be beaten

[–] Kabutor@lemmy.dbzer0.com 36 points 1 year ago (1 children)

you try to not play any arcade if you haven't seen anyone else play first, that cost you money :) My experience with Dragons Lair is that it was a nice game to watch, and a bad game to play, it was expensive and as someone else said in the thread it requires you to memorize the movements, it was never random

[–] cantstopthesignal@sh.itjust.works 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Quick time events are such a garbage game design concept

[–] WaxedWookie@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

As an interactive method of storytelling, I think they're fine (but not my thing). I think the problems really emerge when you try to combine them with the revenue-driving elements of an arcade machine - the challenges need to be designed to kill you so you'll keep paying rather than giving you choice or staking you in to the story further.

[–] simple@lemm.ee 29 points 1 year ago

I assume lots of trial and error and following guides from magazines and such. Games like Dragon's Lair aren't really meant to be that winnable, they're just designed to get you to buy as many coins as possible to keep trying.

[–] evanuggetpi@lemmy.nz 20 points 1 year ago

By perfecting it on the Amiga first

[–] DocMcStuffin@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

There was a remaster that was put out a few years ago: steam, gog. It was a nice piece of nostalgia finding it. From playing it on arcade difficulty and comparing it against the easier settings, it was pretty obvious this game was meant to suck up quarters. You just had to have everything memorized.

[–] PersnickityPenguin@lemm.ee 17 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I remember watching a guy play an arcade game back in about 1990, I think it was spy hunter or something but the car could do a jump and side scrolled to the right. Not sure. Anyways, over the course of about 4 hours this guy plunked about $100 worth of quarters into the machine until he beat it.

10-year-old me was, uh, impressed to say the least. I tried playing it but I only had two quarters and lasted less than 3 minutes.

[–] UKFilmNerd@feddit.uk 3 points 1 year ago

Definitely not Spy Hunter as that game loops and has no ending.

I remember using a cheat on the home computer version for my ZX Spectrum for infinite lives. I got bored after a while because of the fact it never got anywhere, just scenery changes every so often.

[–] turbodrooler@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Those were the days

[–] Got_Bent@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The mechanics of that game were more like a very fast choose your own adventure than the traditional move joystick left, spaceship go left mechanics.

Because the graphics were coming off a laser disk, they didn't generate on the spot. There were predetermined outcomes to every move.

When people figured this out, information started to collect in the magazines, and the game became beatable.

[–] guyrocket@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

This is correct. I remember getting patterns from a magazine.

Also, there are flashes on-screen that could guide you if you are quick enough.

ETA: Just watched a walkthrough of this game. I've never seen the ending before today! I'm certain horny teenager me would have just loved to see the princess's huge nipples.

[–] Resol@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

It's simple: they didn't.

[–] obrenden@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

My older brother's friend worked at an arcade. He opened up the panel and loaded this game up with credits for me. I still never got close to beating it

[–] Sleestak_Chaka@lemm.ee 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I (my mom) spent so much money on this game. It was in the laundromat near our home. My little brother and I would die so early on. Back then it took some time to figure what was going on with this game and what to do. We were so young so that's all I recall.

[–] NataliePortland@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 year ago

It’s seriously so hard. I think I’ve never made it past the second scene

[–] SinningStromgald@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The only arcade that had that game charge $2 or something like that for each credit. I tried it once and then never again.

[–] Krudler@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It was 50 cents per play at launch.

[–] mctoasterson@reddthat.com 7 points 1 year ago

Billy Mitchell or Todd Rodgers might claim to.

[–] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago

Cries in Sinistar. "Run, coward!!!"

[–] iMastari@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago

I was in an arcade all day for multiple days watching others play. After four days of this I played and after two attempts I was able to finish it.

[–] Conyak@lemmy.tf 6 points 1 year ago

Lots of quarters. Arcade games were not designed to be beatable with one quarter. They wouldn’t make money if they did.

[–] thisbenzingring@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 1 year ago

I watched someone beat it.... but no I was never able to do it

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

I wasn't great at Dragon's Lair, but I got super far on Dragon's Lair 2: Time Warp.

[–] cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 year ago

lots of pizza and tokens plus summer vacation

[–] mesamunefire@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

I remember Dan from game grumps being really good at that game.

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