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[–] gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 100 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Training that AI is absolutely fair use.

Selling that AI service that was trained on copyrighted material is absolutely not fair use.

[–] deltapi@lemmy.world 13 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Agreed... although I would go a step further and say distributing the LLM model or the results of use (even if done without cost) is not fair use, as the training materials weren't licensed.

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[–] TORFdot0@lemmy.world 20 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

What if we had taken the billions of dollars invested in AI and invested that into public education instead?

Imagine the return on investment of the information being used to train actual humans who can reason and don’t lie 60% of the time instead of using it to train a computer that is useless more than it is useful.

[–] pogmommy@lemmy.ml 7 points 9 hours ago

But you have to pay humans, and give them bathroom breaks, and allow them time off work to spend with their loved ones. Where's the profit in that? Surely it's more clever and efficient to shovel time and money into replacing something that will never be able to practically develop beyond current human understanding. After all, we're living in the golden age of humanity and history has ended! No new knowledge will ever be made so let's just make machines that regurgitate our infallible and complete knowledge.

[–] MehBlah@lemmy.world 110 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (4 children)

Fine by me. Can it be over today?

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[–] Bakkoda@sh.itjust.works 14 points 9 hours ago

If I'm using "AI" to generate subtitles for the "community" is ok if i have a large "datastore" of "licensable media" stored locally to work off of right?

[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 29 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

So pirating full works suddenly is fair use, or what?

[–] BleatingZombie@lemmy.world 11 points 10 hours ago

Only if you're doing it to learn, I guess

Wait until all those expensive scientific journals hear about this

[–] stopforgettingit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 23 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

God forbid you offer to PAY for access to works that people create like everyone else has to. University students have to pay out the nose for their books that they "train" on, why can't billion dollar AI companies?

[–] tehn00bi@lemmy.world 2 points 6 hours ago (2 children)

Perhaps this is just a problem with the way the model works. Always requiring new data and unable to use current data, to ponder and expand upon while making new connections about ideas that influenced the author… LLM’s are a smoke and mirrors show, not a real intelligence.

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[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

If your business model only works if you break the Law, that mean's you're just another Organised Crime group.

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[–] sloppychops@lemmy.ca 18 points 11 hours ago

If everyone can 'train' themselves on copyrighted works, then I say "fair game.''

Otherwise, get fucked.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 17 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest!

What is the charge, officer? Eating a meal? A succulent Chinese meal?

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 73 points 14 hours ago

Come on guys, his company is only worth $157 billion.

Of course he can't pay for content he needs for his automated bullshit machine. He's not made of money!

[–] febra@lemmy.world 29 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

If artificial intelligence can be trained on stolen information, then so should be "natural" intelligence.

Oh, wait. One is owned by oligarchs raking in billions, the other just serves the plebs.

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[–] Konstant@lemmy.world 12 points 11 hours ago

Suddenly millions of people are downloading to "train their AI models".

[–] KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml 16 points 11 hours ago

Come on bro, let us pirate bro, just one more ngram of books bro

[–] Geodad@lemm.ee 112 points 16 hours ago (3 children)

I mean, if they are allowed to go forward then we should be allowed to freely pirate as well.

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[–] Jericho_One@lemmy.world 15 points 11 hours ago
[–] liquidthex@reddthat.com 3 points 8 hours ago

It's so wild how laws just have no idea what to do with you if you just add one layer of proxy. "Nooo I'm not stealing and plagerizing, it's the AI doing it!"

[–] Cocodapuf@lemmy.world 87 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (2 children)

That sounds like a you problem.

"Our business is so bad and barely viable that it can only survive if you allow us to be overtly unethical", great pitch guys.

I mean that's like arguing "our economy is based on slave plantations! If you abolish the practice, you'll destroy our nation!"

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[–] kipo@lemm.ee 16 points 12 hours ago
[–] zoeycodes@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 6 hours ago

yeah thats crazy

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