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Bill presented that would make disliking Trump grounds for an involuntary mental health hold (www.revisor.mn.gov)
submitted 1 day ago by zephorah@lemm.ee to c/politics@lemmy.world
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This came up in my health care forum.

Right now, you can legally detain someone medically when they are a danger to themselves or others for up to 72hrs. The details vary by state, but this is how we lock down individuals trying to suicide or someone mentally off the rails making threats of violence.

This variation on that law would also make opposition to Trump qualify.

Civil commitment can follow as with individuals who have profound mental illness and are not safe to be out in the world.

This is the loudest scream that democracy is dead short of hauling people out into the street and shooting them.

It’s important to note the police are currently the people who bring individuals in for the 72hr mental health holds.

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[–] andros_rex@lemmy.world 69 points 23 hours ago (3 children)

Psychiatric hospitals are also allowed to lie to you. You can go in voluntarily, and be upgraded to “involuntary” with no recourse.

Mental health techs will lie - cause problems? Guess what, your notes now say that you are “paranoid” and “hear voices.” You’re “paranoid” because a tech beat the shit out of you two hours ago - you don’t hear voices, but you are “crazy” so obviously lying.

Check what rights institutionalized people have in your state. I can tell you where I live, there are none.

[–] melpomenesclevage@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

LOL, the stuff of nightmares.

[–] andros_rex@lemmy.world 40 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (13 children)

Quite literally in my case.

PTSD from “psychiatric care” is pretty difficult to deal with (and understudied. fascinating how PTSD only garners you empathy and understanding if you’re a combat rep, despite the fact that most with PTSD do have it from sexual abuse and possibly inpatient experiences - suicide rates skyrocket after involuntary commitment, but why do any form of investigation into something that might hurt profits?)

If you’re afraid of wasps, you aren’t expected to go ask a wasp how to deal with it. If, however, you experience severe abuse at the hands of mental health professionals and you live in an area where mental health care = the police, getting any form of help is pretty difficult.

Especially when they consider your gender identity and sexuality as manifestations of mental illness/further evidence that they don’t need to look into the tech beating the shit out of you.

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[–] Etterra@discuss.online 22 points 19 hours ago

And here I thought it was Roadkill F. Kennedy that was gonna send me to a concentration camp for taking antidepressants. Welp I guess it's the nuthouse for me instead. At least until being mentally ill at all gets you sent to the "rehabilitation farms."

[–] iz_ok@sh.itjust.works 26 points 20 hours ago (5 children)

Oh shit! Free mental healthcare.

Fuck Trump!

I'd like to talk about my mother when possible.

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[–] IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 51 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_abuse_of_psychiatry

This is literally CCP level stuff.

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 21 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (1 children)

Donald Ewen Cameron's operation was running from what is today known as the Allen Memorial Institute (AMI), part of the Royal Victoria Hospital, and not to be confused with the non-governmental organization based in Montreal, AMI-Québec Agir contre la maladie mentale.

Love how Donald Ewen Cameron gets exactly one sentence that doesn't even describe anything he did, and is listed under the Canada section with zero mention of being funded by the CIA as part of MKULTRA (which also gets zero mention in the article).

For those who don't know, Donald Ewen Cameron posed as a normal doctor in Canada and took patients who came in with minor symptoms like headaches or anxiety disorders and put them into months-long comas without their consent to run CIA mind control and drug experiments on, including LSD and electroshock treatments at 30-40 times normal levels. The full extent of his abuse will never be known due to the destruction of records (more details on this page), but many people were severely traumatized with long term effects including, "incontinence, amnesia, forgetting how to talk, forgetting their parents, and thinking their interrogators were their parents." "Victims often suffered from retrograde amnesia for the rest of their lives and had to relearn most skills they had. Many were in a childlike state and even had to be potty-trained."

After conducting these horrific, abusive "experiments" (torture) on innocent Canadians seeking medical help, with US government's full knowledge and support, Cameron would go on to become president of several different organizations, including the American Psychiatric Association, the Canadian Psychiatric Association, and even the World Psychiatric Association.

This is literally USA level stuff.

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[–] WrenFeathers@lemmy.world 38 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (2 children)

My first thought when reading this is….

We’re mere weeks away from martial law.

My second thoughts was, if this is the distraction- what is the other hand doing?

[–] zephorah@lemm.ee 8 points 20 hours ago

A fair ask.

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[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 15 points 23 hours ago (2 children)

I guess I'll see some of you in the loony bin with me. We should play bingo or something.

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[–] Frenchys_prospecting@aussie.zone 42 points 1 day ago (5 children)

If you guys haven't started rioting by now then I lack any empathy for you with what comes next.

[–] Fredselfish@lemmy.world 17 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Who wrote this fucked up bill? And isn't Minnesota a blue state?

[–] Retropunk64@lemm.ee 8 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Like one of the bluest.

[–] cypherpunks@lemmy.ml 8 points 17 hours ago (3 children)

Like one of the bluest.

False. It's almost a swing state.screenshot of wikipedia's "2024 United States presidential election in Minnesota" infobox, showing most of the counties in red and vote totals of 50.92% for Harris and 46.68% for Trump screenshot of Minnesota Senate infobox showing 67 seats, 34 Democratic–Farmer–Labor and 33 Republican

In fact, if you sort the table here you can see that of the states Harris/Walz won there was only one (New Hampshire) where they got a lower percentage of the vote than in Minnesota.

However with the Democratic–Farmer–Labor Party having a majority (by a single seat) in the Senate, this bill will obviously not pass, and if it did, obviously the governor (Tim Walz) would not sign it.

This is just trolling by some deeply unserious politicians.

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[–] xor@lemmy.dbzer0.com 33 points 1 day ago (1 children)

but, the bill doesn’t even make sense and uses “psychic” instead of “psychiatric”… so not even proof read….
it’s basically a troll bill, more important things to get upset about (unless you’re in minnesota, then you should petition to remove them)

[–] tischbier@feddit.org 3 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

I noticed the “Psychic.” At first I thought that it was alluding to people like me who are lawyers but have a strategic mind and fairly accurately predict outcome with good data and information.

But then I immediately realized they’re just extremely dumb and dangerous. Might also have been trying to say psychotic/psychosis.

If it stays as written, then I would like them try to prove the existence of psychics.

It’s a troll as you say. But having watched the law for a long time and being in the law, it is highly likely that a group that is more competent will get a hold of this idea, draft a real version, and pump that legislation out to every state legislature.

We have that being homosexual is a crime still on the books in most places. We are only 40 years old from homosexuality being considered a mental illness. This sort of thing is absolutely on the table.

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[–] Mossheart@lemmy.ca 7 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

What's the bill number? Is there a link to the text for a full read?

[–] LemmyFeed@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 21 hours ago

It's a Minnesota bill and the link takes you to the full text.

[–] Carmakazi@lemmy.world 158 points 1 day ago (6 children)

It’s important to note the police are currently the people who bring individuals in for the 72hr mental health holds.

I think it is also important to note that it appears many of these officers are not wearing Level IV plates daily, and plainclothes cops may not be wearing any vest at all.

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[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 136 points 1 day ago (9 children)

What is wrong with people that they would rather live under the boot of dollar-store Hitler than in a tolerant society of people just getting on with life?

[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 82 points 1 day ago (1 children)

They want people to suffer.

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[–] salamandermander@lemmings.world 101 points 1 day ago (4 children)

This is literally how the soviet union suppressed dissent in the 80s. Disagreement with the party was legally considered a sign of psychological issues. They did this to replace the gulags.

[–] NotLemming@lemm.ee 9 points 23 hours ago

Russia did this after calling the war a war was made illegal.

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[–] casmael@lemm.ee 51 points 1 day ago

Oh look it’s incredibly fucked up fascist policy again wow I’m so surprised who could have predicted this ?

[–] elatedCatfish@lemm.ee 27 points 1 day ago (3 children)

This sounds like a great way to get a bunch of cops shot. Which is something they’re trying to push the death penalty for…

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[–] uuldika@lemmy.ml 54 points 1 day ago (3 children)

it's legislative shitposting/meme magic. one of them gets an idea for the meme: adding "Trump Derangement Syndrome" as a mental illness to troll the libs. it provokes a reaction in us, because it's 2025 and for all we know the damn thing might pass at the rate the fascists are consuming the state, and the Republicans' base feeds off of our panic and grief, fueling their schadenfreude. Republican voters are the real trolls; these legislators are just their proxies.

basically, this is the meme magic formula that took 4chan from "ironic" Nazi trolls to an outright fascist resurgence across the West, that took Trump from a meme candidate to the Oval Office, that took the 51st State rhetoric from obvious hyperbole to deadly serious. it's "just a joke" when you're defending it, it's "just trolling" when you're pushing it through, and it's "owning the libs" when you're executing on it.

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