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Lemmy's design is focused on quality content by ditching the Karma farmers and addicts. No more chasing upvotes—people here actually focus on real value instead of feeding the ego.

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[–] TimewornTraveler@lemm.ee 2 points 23 minutes ago* (last edited 23 minutes ago)

idk about you but psychologically i never chceckef my ksrma scote but still pay some attention to how an individual comment/submission is perceived. cuz i took the time to write it and it's cool if people like/understand it and it's "important" if they dont (at least important to my rat brains)

as a departure from this mentality, i will not edit the typos

[–] Muehe@lemmy.ml 1 points 33 minutes ago

Isn't Karma essentially just the delta between upvotes and downvotes you get with some sort of weighting thrown in?

Because you can very much get that delta on here, it just isn't visible in the default Lemmy interface. If you look at your account through an Mbin frontend for example you can see the "Reputation points" value in the sidebar: https://fedia.io/u/@wittycomputer@feddit.org

[–] remon@ani.social 12 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (1 children)

"Karma" is just a counter of a user's recieved votes. It still exists on lemmy, most clients just choose to not display it.

Also where is this "value content" supposed to be?

[–] BradleyUffner@lemmy.world 2 points 57 minutes ago* (last edited 57 minutes ago)

Our value comes from our superior bean-based posting economy.

[–] AnarchiaKapitany@lemm.ee 18 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Oh my sweet summer child. EVERY new service and SocMed site starts out like this. Fresh, fun, and working properly. Until the masses show up. That's when it goes to shit.

[–] noot_noot@feddit.org 1 points 1 hour ago (2 children)

Yep, it's just a matter of time till karma system is getting implemented on here too

[–] Tywele@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 22 minutes ago

It already exists, it's just not shown.

[–] afronaut@slrpnk.net 2 points 56 minutes ago

Why make this assumption? Is there a reason you believe we need that karma system? I genuinely can’t think of any reason, outside of corporate interest to push engagement.

[–] ABetterTomorrow@lemm.ee 3 points 2 hours ago

That’s right! I said good shit in tech posts that was worth upvoting so others can see. Then there was an bad comment I wrote in patientgaming that deserved the downvotes and not worth reading.

[–] Allero 22 points 5 hours ago (4 children)

Lemmy still relies on upvotes for ranking the feed, so, farming them makes sense, it's just isolated per each post.

And I believe the issue might get worse as Lemmy grows. The reason Reddit came up with karma and all that is because the more people you have on your platform, the more baddies you have to account for.

For now, Lemmy is small enough for a basic interpersonal reputation to mostly just work, but as it grows, we need something else. Presumably, not karma.

[–] socsa@piefed.social 3 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Piefed implements an "attitude" system which tracks up vote ratio and a few other simple metrics mods can use to identify bad actors

[–] Allero 1 points 1 hour ago

Nice! The more I hear about Piefed, the more I am inclined to check it out

[–] ddash@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 4 hours ago (3 children)

Can you explain what you mean with farming upvotes makes sense? There is no part of the algorithm that takes into account how many upvotes the OP recently got, or is there?

[–] gon@lemm.ee 2 points 2 hours ago

I think they meant on a post-by-post basis. You can't farm account karma, but you can farm upvotes on individual posts, for ego, I guess...

There is the vibe-check on Lemmy, though. I don't believe the algorithm takes that into account.

[–] Coelacanth@feddit.nu 1 points 2 hours ago

There is no algorithm at all as far as I know, for better or worse. The closest is the "Scaled" sorting option, which takes community size into account to help boost smaller communities. But I'd hardly call that an algorithm, even though it technically is.

There is no point in farming upvotes here apart from feeding your brain's dopamine response.

[–] Allero 1 points 2 hours ago

No, OP's upvotes do not matter, but the amount of upvotes or downvotes under a specific post over time puts it up or down the default feed.

[–] merdaverse@lemmy.world 0 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

There's multiple sorting types that you can choose for your feed. How do you want your content ordered?

[–] Allero 1 points 1 hour ago

The default is "Active", so it's the most relevant.

Of course there are other ways to sort that do not rely on upvotes, but most don't use them.

[–] DogEarBookmark@reddthat.com 2 points 5 hours ago

Perhaps a creddit system (for gits and shiggles)

[–] SolarMonkey@slrpnk.net 4 points 3 hours ago (3 children)

Just don’t be a woman on Lemmy.

Sure, most people won’t downvote or harass you just for being a woman (a lot will.. we didn’t get the best of Reddit at all, and I doubt the new adoptees are any better…) but they will often enough make things difficult even if they aren’t actively causing problems.

But men of Lemmy (aka the vast majority of the user base since they ran off all the womenfolk) don’t care. They see that as quality control or some dumb shit, because THEY aren’t interested in woman things, so nobody should be, or they think their “as a man” comments should be important or some shit... Whatever the post is about. If it doesn’t cater to them, it can fuck right off.

Which is why cis women make up <10% of the Lemmy side of the fediverse. It’s a disaster for women here.

But I wonder how long you’ve been here. Most of the posts of this nature are from very new accounts and they don’t know the problems yet…

[–] Whats_your_reasoning@lemmy.world 1 points 30 minutes ago

The downvotes prove your point. This topic needs more discussion, but most of the times when women bring this up, their comments get downvoted to hell. It's quite a "gotcha" for someone to ask to see "examples" when most of the examples we've come across or created will be buried or have since been deleted.

Alternative question - for those that don't believe this is an issue, when is the last time you came across a post on Lemmy that is specifically for/about women or women's issues (especially one posted from a woman's perspective)? Or even better, go ahead and make such a post. Watch how fast the downvotes come.

I expect this comment to be downvoted the same way as the parent comment was, the same way that past posts I've made and read about women's issues have been downvoted on Lemmy. If men want this place to be inclusive for women, they have to do their part to support us - not downvoting our concerns, simply because they don't experience the same issues, is the absolute bare minimum. Otherwise, why would we keep posting/commenting about our issues when doing so invites a downvote cascade?

[–] amos@mander.xyz 10 points 3 hours ago

Is this really the case? I find this unexpected. Lemmy seems to be friendly to the LGBTQ people, namely trans.

If what you say is true, we should probably address it somehow.

[–] merdaverse@lemmy.world 0 points 2 hours ago

Any examples of this? It sounds terrible and should be addressed.

[–] Emmie@lemm.ee 4 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

Just value content

Lemming36: Here is a high quality 46 MB photo of a shiny bat poop straight to .world HDD

[–] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 21 points 7 hours ago

Lemmy is small enough, that without even seeing a karma total, some users have an unofficial "rapport", where I've seen them around enough to recognize whether they are the type to go against the grain, a perpetual troll, or a usually reasonable person with an unusually spicy take.

[–] RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world 44 points 10 hours ago (9 children)

Really? I have like 15 meme communities blocked, and there are comparably very few niche communities.

[–] FrostBlazer@lemm.ee 7 points 7 hours ago

With time we’ll get there! The more we slowly contribute to the niche topics, the more we’ll see these communities grow. I’m sure there are a sizable amount of people from Reddit looking for their niches on here to start growing more for them to fully hop over. I’ve got a good chunk of mine on Lemmy now, but still a handful of ones I haven’t found a comparable server for yet. If I understood running a server more I probably would have started a couple of my own for these topics.

Is there anywhere on Lemmy people can request for servers to get started? I think that would be helpful to have since missing topics are some of the barriers of entry for some people.

[–] fxomt@lemmy.dbzer0.com 31 points 10 hours ago (9 children)

Yeah, lemmy suffers a lot of from this. Too many posts that try to just make the front page, too many popular communities that dominate c/all. I've even had a friend quit over this.

I genuinely miss communities about games, linguistics and niche hobbies - they just aren't as popular as news/politics/general memes and that. I do try to post them as much as i can, but since they're niche there's only so much content you can find.

I'd love for the frontpage to have some [optional, ofc] changes that encourage more of this type of content.

[–] Pregnenolone@lemmy.world 2 points 3 hours ago

Yeah, but in this day and age we’re going to grow with easy-to-consume content e.g. memes. Once growth hits a critical mass then the niche communities will come.

[–] RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world 6 points 6 hours ago

Pretty much any game or random hobby I'm on at the moment, I could count on finding a decently populated and active Subreddit. This is what's missing from Lemmy.

[–] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 8 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

For games, make sure you are subscribed to:

All are healthy and active, and I'm sure there are more. I suggest cross-posting stuff from a niche community you contribute to, to one of these, to bring traction to the smaller community.

[–] burgerpocalyse@lemmy.world 3 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

maybe my definitions of healthy and active are extremely biased, but these communities have several days-old posts with low numbers of comments and limited reply threads. not only that, but there's lots of news articles about the industry but not much stuff about GAMES, be that random reviews, discussions, or memes.

[–] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 3 points 3 hours ago

Well it's partly my bias too, because when I joined Lemmy about 3 years ago, lemmy.world didn't exist yet and there were around a couple dozen new posts on All of Lemmy per day at the time.

I'm just really grateful for how much we've grown as a site, even if we're still hardly anywhere close to the scale of modern corporate social media. But imo it doesn't have to be, I like this.

[–] biofaust@lemmy.world 2 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

Last one seems not to exist.

[–] JasSmith@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 hours ago

Beehaw is quite toxic and for that reason, lemmy.world is not federated. I expect an angry swarm of people from Beehaw to send me death threats now to prove how untoxic they are.

[–] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 6 points 4 hours ago

Lemmy.world is not federating with beehaw.org

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