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Lemmy's design is focused on quality content by ditching the Karma farmers and addicts. No more chasing upvotes—people here actually focus on real value instead of feeding the ego.

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[–] rickyrigatoni@lemm.ee 3 points 31 minutes ago

Give it another year or two and we'll have some website that tallies the karma of lemmy users. Clout is an insidious disease that grows like a social cancer.

[–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 1 points 5 minutes ago

We have that here too. FlyingSquid comes to mind.

[–] BeiYang@lemmy.world 1 points 7 minutes ago* (last edited 7 minutes ago)

I have a question though:

On Reddit the same post won't usually show up twice in my feed (unless it's a repost). So once you've seen it, Reddit notices that and kind of marks it as seen I guess.

Using Lemmy however I happen to see the same posts over and over again for days. Is there any way to fix this?

[–] Damaskox@lemmy.world 1 points 23 minutes ago

I did count my likes from some top liked comments or posts of mine before. It kinda feels the same as karma, to me.

I'd say that people always find some way to get addicted to something, in whatever.

[–] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 8 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

We have plenty of astroturfing bots & powermods here. Once karma becomes a worthwhile metric for some to filter by, it’ll be abused & manipulated here, too.

[–] Deathray5@lemmynsfw.com 2 points 46 minutes ago

For all the problems with karma it did allow for effective filtering. With most accounts on Lemmy being harder to create with captcha and approval it might not be needed

[–] PanArab@lemm.ee 11 points 4 hours ago

The lack of karma is definitely a plus. Zionist trolls can downvote all they want, no one cares. In fact, there isn’t much of an incentive for any to invest in “downvote farms”.

[–] TimewornTraveler@lemm.ee 20 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (1 children)

idk about you but psychologically i never chceckef my ksrma scote but still pay some attention to how an individual comment/submission is perceived. cuz i took the time to write it and it's cool if people like/understand it and it's "important" if they dont (at least important to my rat brains)

as a departure from this mentality, i will not edit the typos

[–] arrow74@lemm.ee 5 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 39 minutes ago)

I liked my karma back on my old reddit account (before being banned from supporting Luigi), but that is because I had the account for 12 years and invested too much time into it.

So far I'm enjoying the laid back nature of lemmy. Hopefully there will be more engagement, maybe some UI updates too. But overall I'm liking the switch. The conversations and posts feel more real.

[–] AnarchiaKapitany@lemm.ee 33 points 7 hours ago (6 children)

Oh my sweet summer child. EVERY new service and SocMed site starts out like this. Fresh, fun, and working properly. Until the masses show up. That's when it goes to shit.

[–] Irelephant@lemm.ee 1 points 1 hour ago

Eternal december.

I feel like white-list federation can fix it.

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[–] remon@ani.social 20 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (1 children)

"Karma" is just a counter of a user's recieved votes. It still exists on lemmy, most clients just choose to not display it.

Also where is this "value content" supposed to be?

[–] BradleyUffner@lemmy.world 11 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

Our value comes from our superior bean-based posting economy.

[–] Muehe@lemmy.ml 3 points 5 hours ago

Isn't Karma essentially just the delta between upvotes and downvotes you get with some sort of weighting thrown in?

Because you can very much get that delta on here, it just isn't visible in the default Lemmy interface. If you look at your account through an Mbin frontend for example you can see the "Reputation points" value in the sidebar: https://fedia.io/u/@wittycomputer@feddit.org

[–] Allero 26 points 10 hours ago (5 children)

Lemmy still relies on upvotes for ranking the feed, so, farming them makes sense, it's just isolated per each post.

And I believe the issue might get worse as Lemmy grows. The reason Reddit came up with karma and all that is because the more people you have on your platform, the more baddies you have to account for.

For now, Lemmy is small enough for a basic interpersonal reputation to mostly just work, but as it grows, we need something else. Presumably, not karma.

[–] socsa@piefed.social 7 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Piefed implements an "attitude" system which tracks up vote ratio and a few other simple metrics mods can use to identify bad actors

[–] Allero 2 points 5 hours ago

Nice! The more I hear about Piefed, the more I am inclined to check it out

[–] ddash@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 8 hours ago (3 children)

Can you explain what you mean with farming upvotes makes sense? There is no part of the algorithm that takes into account how many upvotes the OP recently got, or is there?

[–] gon@lemm.ee 2 points 7 hours ago

I think they meant on a post-by-post basis. You can't farm account karma, but you can farm upvotes on individual posts, for ego, I guess...

There is the vibe-check on Lemmy, though. I don't believe the algorithm takes that into account.

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[–] ABetterTomorrow@lemm.ee 3 points 6 hours ago

That’s right! I said good shit in tech posts that was worth upvoting so others can see. Then there was an bad comment I wrote in patientgaming that deserved the downvotes and not worth reading.

[–] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 25 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Lemmy is small enough, that without even seeing a karma total, some users have an unofficial "rapport", where I've seen them around enough to recognize whether they are the type to go against the grain, a perpetual troll, or a usually reasonable person with an unusually spicy take.

[–] Coelacanth@feddit.nu 2 points 4 hours ago

Yeah it's got that old forum type feel still.

[–] SolarMonkey@slrpnk.net 5 points 8 hours ago (6 children)

Just don’t be a woman on Lemmy.

Sure, most people won’t downvote or harass you just for being a woman (a lot will.. we didn’t get the best of Reddit at all, and I doubt the new adoptees are any better…) but they will often enough make things difficult even if they aren’t actively causing problems.

But men of Lemmy (aka the vast majority of the user base since they ran off all the womenfolk) don’t care. They see that as quality control or some dumb shit, because THEY aren’t interested in woman things, so nobody should be, or they think their “as a man” comments should be important or some shit... Whatever the post is about. If it doesn’t cater to them, it can fuck right off.

Which is why cis women make up <10% of the Lemmy side of the fediverse. It’s a disaster for women here.

But I wonder how long you’ve been here. Most of the posts of this nature are from very new accounts and they don’t know the problems yet…

[–] Deathray5@lemmynsfw.com 1 points 38 minutes ago

"Which is why cis women make up <10% of the Lemmy side of the fediverse. It’s a disaster for women here."

I mean I can believe that since it's based off of Reddit but do you have a source for that?

[–] Irelephant@lemm.ee 1 points 57 minutes ago

I'm not saying you're wrong, but I (as a cis guy) haven't seen anything againt women. Do you have any examples?

[–] fossilesque@mander.xyz 7 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

I've not had a problem here, do you have examples of this? Not saying it does not exist, more curious as I've found this space a lot kinder than reddit.

[–] Whats_your_reasoning@lemmy.world 3 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

The downvotes prove your point. This topic needs more discussion, but most of the times when women bring this up, their comments get downvoted to hell. It's quite a "gotcha" for someone to ask to see "examples" when most of the examples we've come across or created will be buried or have since been deleted.

Alternative question - for those that don't believe this is an issue, when is the last time you came across a post on Lemmy that is specifically for/about women or women's issues (especially one posted from a woman's perspective)? Or even better, go ahead and make such a post. Watch how fast the downvotes come.

I expect this comment to be downvoted the same way as the parent comment was, the same way that past posts I've made and read about women's issues have been downvoted on Lemmy. If men want this place to be inclusive for women, they have to do their part to support us - not downvoting our concerns, simply because they don't experience the same issues, is the absolute bare minimum. Otherwise, why would we keep posting/commenting about our issues when doing so invites a downvote cascade?

[–] merdaverse@lemmy.world 5 points 4 hours ago

I just got downvoted for asking for an example of this. I have been using Lemmy quite a bit in the last month (way more than I should) and I have never come across what you're talking about. I might be wrong, I haven't seen all the posts created on Lemmy, that is why I'm asking for an example.

If I make the claim that 4chan is full of racist, nazi fucks, that is easy to verify and provide examples of in a few minutes. Similarly, the burden of proof should be on the one making the claim.

[–] Coelacanth@feddit.nu 3 points 4 hours ago

Alternative question - for those that don't believe this is an issue, when is the last time you came across a post on Lemmy that is specifically for/about women or women's issues (especially one posted from a woman's perspective)? Or even better, go ahead and make such a post. Watch how fast the downvotes come.

I'm not going to say it isn't a problem, but this was just the other day and while engagement could have been better it didn't seem to be met with downvotes and pushback.

[–] amos@mander.xyz 14 points 7 hours ago

Is this really the case? I find this unexpected. Lemmy seems to be friendly to the LGBTQ people, namely trans.

If what you say is true, we should probably address it somehow.

[–] merdaverse@lemmy.world 2 points 7 hours ago

Any examples of this? It sounds terrible and should be addressed.

[–] Emmie@lemm.ee 5 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (1 children)

Just value content

Lemming36: Here is a high quality 46 MB photo of a shiny bat poop straight to .world HDD

[–] Irelephant@lemm.ee 1 points 57 minutes ago

did you mean: beans ?

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