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It's only a proof of concept at the moment and I don't know if it will see mass adoption but it's a step in the right direction to ending reliance on US-based Big Tech.

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[–] JOMusic@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 hour ago (2 children)

As much as I love what they're doing, tieing an OS to a specific region via name seems like the opposite of Open Source values.. Then again, I suppose it could just be forked into a more generalized version

[–] blackbeard@feddit.it 3 points 37 minutes ago

This is specifically for the public sector. The fact that it is open source make it adaptable to different scenarios.

[–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 0 points 37 minutes ago

Europe isn't a region, it's a brand.

[–] utopiah@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 hour ago
[–] ColdWater@lemmy.ca 6 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Why not use the existing Distros?

[–] digdilem@lemmy.ml 5 points 48 minutes ago

Most distros, not all, are based in, or run by, American legal entities.

Redhat, Rocky, Alma, Debian, etc - all legally American. This is a problem if the US requires sanctions against another country. All of those cannot legally supply products to Russia now, but in the future who's to say what other countries the US will sanction? People are only now starting to realise that sanctions can be applied to software too, and many countries are entirely reliant upon US Software. (Seriously, do a quick audit - 90% of our tech company's stack is US originated)

Alternatives: Suse (German) Ubuntu (UK, but based on Debian, so likely subject to supply chain restrictions).

[–] marauding_gibberish142@lemmy.dbzer0.com 29 points 7 hours ago (2 children)
[–] RedSnt@feddit.dk 1 points 1 hour ago (2 children)

I just looked into how easy it would be to install nvidia drivers on openSUSE and it's not as great as Fedora for comparison, that's one of the only 2 down sides I've found so far. The other downside is a personal preference one, for many it's an upside, and it would be an upside for anyone basing an entire distro on it, and that's how there's nothing fancy installed alongside openSUSE, it's not bloated. No starship prompt in the terminal, no proprietary codecs etc. I like how openSUSE defaults to a lot of BTRFS subvolumes for almost each important root directory and comes preinstalled with snapper, that's very neat. And it's so nice to use YaST, what a treat. While Fedora does also have patterns, getting to use a graphical installer with YaST is so nice.
I'm glazing a lot for someone that doesn't daily run it, so maybe I should just switch one of these days, haha. Maybe when my Nobara installation dies.

[–] pumpkinseedoil@mander.xyz 1 points 47 minutes ago

My daily driver is an nvidia laptop with opensuse, takes like one afternoon to get everything ready with barely any former Linux experience.

Just use zypper (or yast) to add the proprietary nvidia repository (or nouveau) and install your drivers. Install everything else you need through zypper (or yast or flatpak). Familiarise yourself with keybinds, set new keybinds (not needed of course but its nice to know keybinds - if you're using KDE already they'll probably be the same anyway). Select KDE's dark "breeze for OpenSUSE" theme (or some other theme, but breeze for opensuse just is so polished). Configure other preferences (night light from sundown to sunrise, set up Firefox sync (if you use that), connect to onedrive or whichever cloud you're using, ... . Done. No need to wait :)

[–] ECB@feddit.org 1 points 1 hour ago

Yeah I have used opensuse for the past couple years (still do!) but while there is plenty to like, if I were to do a reinstall I would likely move back to Fedora.

Then again, I basically never use YaST, which I suppose is one of the main song points.

[–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 2 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (2 children)

But is it Enterprise Grade and Web Scale? RedHat has a lot of marketing legacy behind it.

Edit: I realize I probably should have specified the /s I’m making fun of RedHat marketing.

[–] marauding_gibberish142@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

I would think that SUSE's supported distro is enterprise ready. I don't have personal experience on it though. I've only ever used Tumbleweed once. I hope a SUSE admin can respond.

[–] dafta@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 3 hours ago

I mean, SUSE Linux Enterprise, the distro on which OpenSUSE Leap is based, has been developed by SUSE since 2000. It's newest version, 15, is used in IBM's Watson and HP's Frontier supercomputers. I'd say it's enterprise ready.

[–] Showroom7561@lemmy.ca 7 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Fedora Origin: USA

No, thanks. 🙅

[–] pupbiru@aussie.zone 3 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

alternative POV: it’s entirely FOSS so there’s little control that can be exerted from its use. it’s also entirely free, so use is extracting value without providing anything in return. by its use, you’re taking resources to maintain, host, etc and providing nothing in return

similar reason to why i don’t use ecosia with an ad blocker: by blocking ads you’re using their resources without giving back and thus you’re taking resources away from the charity

[–] Ferk@lemmy.ml 2 points 35 minutes ago* (last edited 44 seconds ago)

This is true, but then why not base it off Guix (the GNU distro)? ..I'm sure Fedora is full of binary blobs and not-so-free software.

They could still add extra software and blobs sourced by the EU if they needed it.. and I think doing that would allow it to carve itself a niche rather than sticking a white label on Fedora and call it something else. I don't see a lot of value on this over just using Fedora directly, I'm not sure if it's true that Fedora does not benefit from this... wouldn't Fedora support agents be able to just start providing support also to EU OS customers if they (customers and Fedora support) want?

I guess we'll have to see how much they customize it, but in my experience with previous attempts, I'm expecting just a re-skin, just Fedora with different theme. That's not a threat to Fedora, but rather an opportunity.

[–] BananaTrifleViolin@lemmy.world 42 points 8 hours ago (3 children)

If the EU were concerned about the US jurisdiction of Linux projects it could pick:

  • OpenSuSE (org based in Germany)
  • Mint (org based in Ireland)
  • Manjaro (org based in France/Germany, and based of Arch)
  • Ubuntu (org based in UK)

However if they didn't care, then they could just use Fedora or other US based distros.

I think it would be a good idea for the EU to adopt linux officially, and maybe even have it's own distro, but I'm not sure this Fedora base makes sense. Ironically this may also be breaching EU trademarks as it's masquerading as an official project by calling itself EU OS.

[–] Suoko@feddit.it 2 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

I'd add:

  • Mageia (French)
  • Zorin OS (Ireland)
  • Ufficio Zero (Italy)
[–] digdilem@lemmy.ml 1 points 46 minutes ago

Mint and Ubuntu have Debian as an upstream, don't they?

Debian is a US legal entity, so if it was required to sanction countries, it feels that software built with it would likely be restricted.

[–] SabinStargem 2 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

I would like the EU to make an official universal Linux distro, intended for the ordinary person to use on their PC. Bonus points if they can collaborate with Steam to make it compatible with gaming stuff. The big reason I stuck to Windows 11 is for the sake of games, but if compatibility and ease of use to customize was improved, I would be happy to switch away.

The big thing that the EU can bring to the project is contributing lots of money for making Linux suitable as a daily driver, along with mandating its usage on government machines.

[–] pupbiru@aussie.zone 2 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

i’d say if it happens it should start with focusing on:

  • government and workstation (this is important first to have control and independence over so that government isn’t beholden to the whims of foreign companies)
  • then server (maybe - idk really if that’s worth it though; it’s a whole can of compatibility worms and adoption expense)
  • then user desktop

though there is the argument that workstation and user desktop are close enough to each other that user desktop should be above server, but i’d imagine it’d be more of a “home user” than gamer situation. i could imagine some regulations around refurbishing old tech with this kind of OS too, and this would be more about low spec machines (that’d help workstations too)

[–] wewbull@feddit.uk 17 points 9 hours ago

Scammers never let a good global crisis get in their way.

  1. Rebadge a distro and say it's fromm the EU
  2. .....????
  3. Profit!
[–] Geodad@lemm.ee 50 points 11 hours ago (3 children)

Why Fedora? They're basically Red Hat in a trench coat. I'd go with a EU based distro like Suse.

[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 6 points 9 hours ago

Having seen SuSE destroy collaborators like OL, CNC and probably Turbo, I'm okay never even working with them as a customer. I intend to avoid them until death.

[–] mostlikelyaperson@lemmy.world 9 points 11 hours ago

I was wondering the same when I came across it a few hours ago and decided to look into it, apparently it’s because it was decided to use an atomic distribution as a base and Suses is apparently not considered stable enough by them. (I can not argue the validity of these statements given either way, that’s just what I found in one of their gitlab issues . if someone wants to look at it for themselves, searching for Fedora on the issue tracker should bring it up)

[–] Amaterasu@lemmy.world 2 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (1 children)

Well, companies like Valve, they are a bit more worried if the distro are community or organization driven. So, for government, perhaps that same philosophy should be considered which is not the case of Fedora or Suse. They check distros such as Arch or Debian and derivatives.

[–] PushButton@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago

Well, I don't know about Valve being worried about community distro.

Did something change?

[–] gomp@lemmy.ml 14 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Based on a US distro whose versions are supported for 1 year, and "built to the requirements for the EU public sector" (because the EU public sector has one coherent set of requirements and the dev knows them, even if he doesn't list them out).

This is most probably good-intentioned and it is admirable how the dev sprung into action, but it's naive at best.

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[–] cypherpunks@lemmy.ml 56 points 13 hours ago (3 children)

I wonder how much work is entailed in transforming Fedora in to a distro that meets some definition of the word "Sovereign" 🤔

Personally I wouldn't want to make a project like this be dependent on the whims of a US defense contractor like RedHat/IBM, especially after what happened with CentOS.

[–] Dariusmiles2123@sh.itjust.works 1 points 41 minutes ago

I didn’t know red hat was working for the US government. Can you tell me in what way?

[–] petsoi@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 50 minutes ago

But it's a good starting point. Better than inventing everything from the scratch.

[–] Korkki@lemmy.ml 21 points 13 hours ago (3 children)

I read the sovereign to mean something like an unified platform for EU institutions, that you can dev and train people on.

dependent on the whims of a US defense contractor like RedHat/IBM

A very good point.

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[–] Pirky@lemmy.world 27 points 14 hours ago (4 children)
[–] SpiceDealer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 54 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

They should call it EUROS.

[–] muhyb@programming.dev 5 points 5 hours ago

European Union Redstar Operating System?

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[–] m33@theprancingpony.in 16 points 13 hours ago (8 children)

@SpiceDealer Sorry, what ? How can it be made in EU if it's a Fedora fork/derivative ?

[–] lambipapp@lemmy.world 26 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

As a Swede we claim all of linux to be finno-swedish :)

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[–] notanapple@lemm.ee 16 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

I mean Fedora is open source but if they really wanted a european base, they could have gone with opensuse. AFAIK opensuse is the only fully european linux distro plus they use many of the same tech that redhat/fedora does.

Ultimately I think it doesn't matter too much since even the linux foundation is based in the US and large parts of what makes the linux desktop are maintained by non-EU companies (on top of all the major projects hosted by Github, Gitlab including most of Flathub). If its all open source, I think the risks are pretty low e.g. huawei was able to use Android despite all the restrictions.

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[–] Mwa@lemm.ee 18 points 14 hours ago (3 children)

Is this made by European union I wonder

[–] Telorand@reddthat.com 29 points 14 hours ago (3 children)

From the subheading on the ReadMe.

Community-led Proof-of-Concept for a free Operating System for the EU public sector 🇪🇺

So it's made by the EU in the sense that the maintainers are likely citizens of the EU, I guess.

[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 22 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

Depending on who the group is ... it is good to first do a thorough check on who the group is ... it can just as likely be a group of scam artists that are riding on some nationalism band wagon happening around the world these days.

[–] Telorand@reddthat.com 10 points 13 hours ago (3 children)

They could, and if I was an EU government entity, I would do my homework on what they were offering, even if they were acting 100% in good faith.

However, helping governments get away from the clutches of the likes of Apple and Microsoft seems like a noble goal, and if this idea spurs that change regardless of the adoption of this distro, I think it will have been a net positive.

[–] Viri4thus@feddit.org 14 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Government is only in the clutches of MS because MS bribes officials to maintain their cancerous software as a staple everywhere in Europe... Hungary is one of a few quite famous cases of bribery.

There's no depth to my loathing of MS and its illegal and anti-competitive practices.

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